mageblood just too op

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Piousqd wrote:

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

MB is so overrated. i could buy one right now but i wont because i dont think its worth the price for that extra bit of tankiness. and before someone says that i cant afford one,i certainly can.

I think you are under estimating the impact of magelood by alot. It is so much more than "extra bit of tankiness". It is the single most impactful item to gear flexibility and quality of life that you can get. Unless the belt you are using is build enabling, you should get a mageblood, simple as that.

Occurred to me that since you made your original statement, you could probably benefit from me listing how/when its so good.

-Flexibility. Having the ability to situational change multiple aspects of you build by only having to swap flask out is insane. Examples of this:

* Adding player IIR with gold flask/rarity suffix when running easier content

* Adding Movement speed when crafting/kingsmarching/hesiting/etc

* Adding overcapped resist with bismuth flask when youve clicked too many reduced resist eldritch alters and keep dying to something beefy (can anyone say surprise unique verisum mob?)

* Adding extra damage when bossing/pushing content

*temporarily fixing things like ele cap while swapping around gear upgrades, etc.


-Power. As mentioned by many people in here, the power of mageblood really comes from the enkindling orb, not the mageblood itself. Yes its great to have your flask uptime be 100%, especially while not in combat, but the 1.95 multiplier on the power of the flask is insane.

* if you are not familiar with this, enkindle orb allows you to enchant the flask with a 70% increased effectiveness mod, with the downside that doesnt apply due to magebloods perma-flask ability.

* enkindle orb + 25% increased effect prefix mod = 95% increased effect total.

*example Gold flask:
Base Flask: 30% IIR (increased item rarity).
Crafted Suffix: +30% = 60% IIR
Crafted Prefix: +25% effect = 75% IIR
Enkindle Enchant: +70% = 117% IIR

That is basically turning your character into a lazy mans MF'r, by simply swapping a flask. That's insane. And you can apply this to crit chance, movement speed, leech, all resist, etc.

Other crazy examples of single flask power:

Diamond flask w/ crit suffix. = +302% increased crit chance
Quicksiver flask w/ ms suffix = +105% increased movement speed
Amethyst flask w/ ele res suffix = +68% chaos res, +39% ele resistance
Silver flask w/ ms suffix = 39% attack/cast speed, +66% move speed

-Tankiness/defenses

*because of the 100% up time on flask, mageblood allows flask to also provide immunities/defense layers that would otherwise be conditional (i.e youd still get screwed whenever your flask was down)

*this is done with only the suffix, allowing you great flexability in still using whatever flask base you require.

Examples:

Stun immunity
Elemental Ailment immunity (via shock avoidance in conjunction with Stormshroud jewel)
Curse immunity (not true immunity, can be broken by increased effectiveness of curse modifiers)

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Piousqd wrote:

Other crazy examples of single flask power:

ruby,sapphire and topaz flasks are also still pretty powerful despite the more recent change.
The extra max res can really help against heavy elemental hits.
MB also makes it easier to throw on a melding without having a big gear pressure with the negative resistances for even more value of a single item.
There are already a few ways to increase max res, like jewels, unique items so it's quite a wasted opportunity to avoid using those flasks in specific cases or build the entire build around one flask for 90 all max res with items like aegis, passive tree and jewels.

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Pashid wrote:

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Piousqd wrote:

Other crazy examples of single flask power:

ruby,sapphire and topaz flasks are also still pretty powerful despite the more recent change.
The extra max res can really help against heavy elemental hits.
MB also makes it easier to throw on a melding without having a big gear pressure with the negative resistances for even more value of a single item.
There are already a few ways to increase max res, like jewels, unique items so it's quite a wasted opportunity to avoid using those flasks in specific cases or build the entire build around one flask for 90 all max res with items like aegis, passive tree and jewels.

Yea totally, those 3 are also super powerful, just didn't think of them because I don't use them.

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

MB is so overrated. i could buy one right now but i wont because i dont think its worth the price for that extra bit of tankiness. and before someone says that i cant afford one,i certainly can.

Extra bit of tankiness he says. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Meanwhile, if Mageblood said what it actually does:

i used one before. i know what it does. to me its still not worth 200 divs or however much it costs now, stop trying to turn everything into an argument

That picture is not fair anyway because it ignores 4 flasks non-mageblood builds can run.

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

i used one before. i know what it does. to me its still not worth 200 divs or however much it costs now, stop trying to turn everything into an argument

^ THIS

I had one before too and I'm not gonna lie it is a nice item especially for lazy folks like myself.

BUT thanks to instilling orb autoflasking I don't think it is worth the price asked and I will most likely never buy one again. I think I even would sell it if it would drop for me.

Edit: Best chase items for me right now are Original Sin and Nimis. But I'm pretty sure I will regret having bought them once I did because tbh. I already have enough dps without them.

MB is really really strong if u build around it. Instilling orbs can't compete with 100% uptime on a Flask that makes u immune to all ailments for example.
Same goes for max res Flask and Melding of the Flesh, Stun avoidance and in particular Bossfights.

Flask uptime in boss encounters is generally awful which makes MB extremely valueable against ubers.

Now if u only use MB to "proc" ur normal flasks without changing ur build, yeah then it's just a medium defensive upgrade.

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Sadaukar wrote:

MB is really really strong if u build around it. Instilling orbs can't compete with 100% uptime on a Flask that makes u immune to all ailments for example.

Sorry but this is plain wrong. I have 100% uptime without mb and even on bosses you can use things like:

You have to build around MB you say and I say you have to build properly when playing without mb. ^^

I mean each to their own, but u're giving up a ring slot and a curse/mark for that. A curse alone can easy be 20%+ damage.

If u think it's worth it, go ahead.

For the 100% uptime, that again might be true for trashmobs, but the flasks might fall off during bossfights (in T17) and now u can't rely on being ailment immune or stun immune ect. anymore. That's why most people tend to not get their ailment immunity, stun immunty ect. from flasks without MB (or permaflask like Pathfinder). Ontop of the obvious 95% increased effect.

If u bring the argument now that u use the ring during mapping aswell, well the same as above applies.

I really don't want to argue that MB is needed for anything, but saying it's just a "minor defensive upgrade" is kinda crazy imo.