If T17 maps still are required for a 5th map slot next league I will not be back.

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exsea wrote:
i would like to point out, all this outrage stems from aspirational content no longer feeling optional.

people are paying a lot of divines to unlock it. WHY? the rewards are too good to be just "optional".

you can argue as much as you want about how these things are optional. no they arent. every point matters.

being able to run 2 voids stones vs 4 is huge.

being able to run 3 scarabs vs 4 is huge
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POEtayto wrote:
op wearing almost all uniques with no life or es rolls or even mana for MoM on gear. of course you're going to get rolled

Thanks but I didn't ask for build advice.
I homebrew all my builds. Some are more effective than others. This league I built a pretty awful build. I'm planning on re-rolling soon as while I could with proper gear eventually reach 8 mil DPS, I'm just not really achieving anything with the build as is. If you look at my other characters, you could see that I've built builds that are significantly better before. My feedback is after having tested T17's on my standard characters, not my present league character, who isn't even doing T12 maps well despite the 10 div investment.

My feedback should not be considered based on the lens of my crappy character.

EDIT: I also think I should mention I have instant leech and nearly 9K ES. I'm functionally immortal in even T16 maps, I just don't have the DPS to make it fun to play. Guy doesn't even get how my build works, suggesting life rolls when I'm obviously using The Ivory Tower...
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Epicly_Curious wrote:
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POEtayto wrote:
op wearing almost all uniques with no life or es rolls or even mana for MoM on gear. of course you're going to get rolled

Thanks but I didn't ask for build advice.
I homebrew all my builds. Some are more effective than others. This league I built a pretty awful build. I'm planning on re-rolling soon as while I could with proper gear eventually reach 8 mil DPS, I'm just not really achieving anything with the build as is. If you look at my other characters, you could see that I've built builds that are significantly better before. My feedback is after having tested T17's on my standard characters, not my present league character, who isn't even doing T12 maps well despite the 10 div investment.

My feedback should not be considered based on the lens of my crappy character.


agreed

I wonder why some people start <bad-verb>ing people's character when they give some feedback that they don't agree with.
player agency, where?

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Well, considering that the feedback is pertaining to pinnacle content, like T17 and Uber bosses, there is potential merit to expressing that a persons character/gear isn't "good enough" to have valid critique on the balancing of that content.

I'd be far less likely to take the advice of someone on how to build a good Character in Borderlands 2 for OP10 if they'd never beaten True Vault Hunter, for example.

While people oft just attack the skill of those with negative critiques, I am willing to devils advocate that he might have genuinely thought I was trying to run that Character through T17 maps, and then complaining when it obviously didn't work.
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Epicly_Curious wrote:
Well, considering that the feedback is pertaining to pinnacle content, like T17 and Uber bosses, there is potential merit to expressing that a persons character/gear isn't "good enough" to have valid critique on the balancing of that content.

No they dont have merit, no need to play devil advocate

The issue is that T17 is literally only acessible to the top 1% of builds, i would invite anyone calling skill issue to show me a video completing a T17 with a average flicker strike or icestorm build

Gating a voidstone behind uber elder is already questionable design for similar reasons, but doable as power creep sort of fixed the issue, still tons of people that just pay for it

Its even worse with T17, those maps are plain impossible for the majority of the builds out there. Uber bosses were supposed to be OPTIONAL, ASPIRATIONAL content, they straight up said so in the video of their introduction(and in many ways, T17 maps are HARDER than the average uber encounter, you cant complete a T17 with a heavily bossing-focused character with defenses tailored to the boss fight). OP might be wearing all bad uniqs and whatnot, but even a decently geared character on a build capable of farming the core of the game confortably cant complete those maps

Calling "your build is not good enough" in this situation is the equivalent of telling seriously "just pick a top tier" in a fighting game or a moba, its eye-rolling
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feike wrote:
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Epicly_Curious wrote:
Well, considering that the feedback is pertaining to pinnacle content, like T17 and Uber bosses, there is potential merit to expressing that a persons character/gear isn't "good enough" to have valid critique on the balancing of that content.

No they dont have merit, no need to play devil advocate

The issue is that T17 is literally only acessible to the top 1% of builds, i would invite anyone calling skill issue to show me a video completing a T17 with a average flicker strike or icestorm build

Gating a voidstone behind uber elder is already questionable design for similar reasons, but doable as power creep sort of fixed the issue, still tons of people that just pay for it

Its even worse with T17, those maps are plain impossible for the majority of the builds out there. Uber bosses were supposed to be OPTIONAL, ASPIRATIONAL content, they straight up said so in the video of their introduction(and in many ways, T17 maps are HARDER than the average uber encounter, you cant complete a T17 with a heavily bossing-focused character with defenses tailored to the boss fight). OP might be wearing all bad uniqs and whatnot, but even a decently geared character on a build capable of farming the core of the game confortably cant complete those maps

Calling "your build is not good enough" in this situation is the equivalent of telling seriously "just pick a top tier" in a fighting game or a moba, its eye-rolling


this game now "pick a meta, join the rat race for gear, grind mindlessly"

I just received a totally irrelevant reply on one of my post which says it all "play necro DD if you wanna be tanky"

I wasn't even talking about tankiness in that post, these people go hard behind this game, I admire it. don't get me wrong this is still a good game, its just that I couldn't enjoy it the same way anymore as it getting more and more tedious everytime I wanna try out/homebrew a new build.
player agency, where?

"do you guys not have phones?" - blizz 2018
"do you guys not have 2 monitors, 3 overlays, 4 discord, 5 websites, 6 loot filters?" - ggg or smth 2024
"deal with it" - ggg, 2024
Expect it to be worse next league with new items gate kept as well. This game is clearly being tuned for Standard as they expect it to die.
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Watch streamers, player better, problem solved. Hard content is not supposed to be finished by the "average joe".
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Watch streamers, player better, problem solved. Hard content is not supposed to be finished by the "average joe".

don't gate 5th map slot behind t17. Why should i have to watch streamers to play a game i have to chill out to. You go be a sweat dont tell others they have to be to enjoy a game.
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cursorTarget wrote:
Watch streamers, player better, problem solved. Hard content is not supposed to be finished by the "average joe".

Here is a guy unaware that stuff is gated behind this content, as standard have it unlocked by default

Advice boils down to "copy what the cool guys are doing" and have the gall to spill "play better" on the same line

Its because people like that that tons of players look down on standard players
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