Please remove accuracy as a factor for melee

I would love to see that. You should record it and post your video.

Its not really as much of a hardcore issue either. melee slam builds play resolute tech in softcore also. You just absolutely don't want to play it any other way in hc. Barring some absolutely absurd gear.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Sorry but this post makes like 0 sense. You can get 9x% accuracy with level 20 precision and whatever you get from melee passives you ended up taking. Some flat acc on gear/tree and you have 100%. The investment required is laughably low. Crit is pretty much mandatory already and precision provides crit on top off acc so even if acc was removed, crit and precision would be just as common/mandatory as they are now. Aside from Boneshatter and dot builds (which are bad aside from poison) you have to use crit. Hit based builds using resolute technique and other stuff like that are memes at best.

Not really....lvl 20 precision on its own is already a huge investment in a mana-starved melee class. The "regular" weapon nodes on the tree basically never provide accuracy (which they really should), and probably the BIGGEST difference between melee and spellcasting is the fact that melee requires accuracy. No matter WHAT the investment is, its still an investment on top of lower damage potential and all else involved with melee.

Additionally, clearly you haven't done many Resolute Technique builds because you would know that there are PLENTY of RT melee builds that get into the 10s of millions damage range. I'm making one now, melee scaling off of ES using Ephemeral Edge. This is just one example, but I've made MANY more. You just end up scaling damage differently via uniques. Crit is AN option, but it is not THE option.

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goetzjam wrote:

Is it?

Pretty sure its easier to get accuracy on a bow build then it is on a melee build.

Yes, it is. There are tons of nodes on the tree, masteries, Precision, mods on items and so on.

Considering melee's primary problem is and always was passive efficiency it would help like any change that cuts down how many stats you require to arrive at the same point.

I'm probably not really in favour because it dumbs things down but melee could use some extra options, its far more efficient on a bow character and it probably shouldn't be.

Its a pretty flawed design system currently though as its intended to be the attack equivalent of mana requirements for casters, except casters bypass mana requirements in a vast majority of good builds and so invest very little into it.

Also strange response Baharoth its basically it doesn't matter because its free and SC balance doesn't matter but it also doesn't matter on HC because they don't balance for there (they do HC is still the mode for values for content and effectively the baseline). SSF is fine to use as a measuring stick too its basically the same thing - what's acceptable for 70% percentile gear.

If stuff was balanced around 99th like is relatively easy to get in SC we'd all know and i'd probably cap out in low reds

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

I would love to see that.

Youtube is your friend, it's full of people doing ubers with all kinds of melee builds.

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Not really....lvl 20 precision on its own is already a huge investment in a mana-starved melee class.

Arrogance is your friend. Comes with a neat +1 all ele res mastery.

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Additionally, clearly you haven't done many Resolute Technique builds because you would know that there are PLENTY of RT melee builds that get into the 10s of millions damage range. I'm making one now, melee scaling off of ES using Ephemeral Edge.

Yeah, i stopped bothering with the key stone when slams got butchered in 3.15.

With what kind of budget is the question? You can make any meme work with enough budget but it's a fact that using RT is a massive less damage modifier right there for little to no upside. The keystone lost most of it's justification for existing when accuracy got reworked. Even if you do manage to get decent damage out of it you likely could have had the same thing with half the budget and/or twice the damage using crit. There simply isn't anything else to scale instead that's even remotely as effective unless you are doing some sort of stat/attribute stacking which you seem to use.

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Also strange response Baharoth its basically it doesn't matter because its free and SC balance doesn't matter but it also doesn't matter on HC because they don't balance for there (they do HC is still the mode for values for content and effectively the baseline). SSF is fine to use as a measuring stick too its basically the same thing - what's acceptable for 70% percentile gear.

Sorry man but i don't really get what you want to say/ask here?

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Sorry man but i don't really get what you want to say/ask here?

That was what I was asking too :p you basically said accuracy is dead easy to get, when someone responded it was prohibitive on HC that was because they don't balance around HC so it can fuck off... but it was also dead easy on SC so does it matter?

If I was guessing i'd have said you think it should stay for flavour but you haven't really given a reason why accuracy is important as a stat

I don't think it's important as a stat. It's GGGs great idea to give melee the accuracy tax while spells have the mana tax which is heavier in theory but has a milion ways to just ignore it. Can't say i agree with that design but on a list of problems this game has sorted by priority this one would be near the bottom.

Accuracy is dead easy to get, both in SC and in HC. I could have asked the guy for a POB and pointed out all the build issues that likely make him think he is point starved but that's feeding pigs with perls. I just don't feel like giving water into a bottle that's already full anymore so i just washed it up with HC doesn't matter because, well, it doesn't. SC Trade is the main game mode, all the other special snowflake stuff is just that.

Sure you can do ubers on melee, ive done 5/7 on hc as melee. I misread your post and thought you said you were doing ubers on a warcry slammer. Unless you're ben this is a complete waste of time. Its like watching alkaizer do uber lilith in 12 minutes on hota barb and a necro doing it in 1 minute.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

Sure you can do ubers on melee, ive done 5/7 on hc as melee. I misread your post and thought you said you were doing ubers on a warcry slammer. Unless you're ben this is a complete waste of time. Its like watching alkaizer do uber lilith in 12 minutes on hota barb and a necro doing it in 1 minute.

Also probably using legacy gear in standard

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

Sure you can do ubers on melee, ive done 5/7 on hc as melee. I misread your post and thought you said you were doing ubers on a warcry slammer. Unless you're ben this is a complete waste of time. Its like watching alkaizer do uber lilith in 12 minutes on hota barb and a necro doing it in 1 minute.

And what exactly do you think prevents warcry slammers from doing ubers when other melee builds can do it according to you? Please enlighten me.

Btw, i've taken a look at your build and it's just as bad as i expected. Taking that as a benchmark it's no wonder you think this way.

This is your POB: https://pobb.in/YxQp3ZL8UzkF 2,6 mio initial hit damage with earthshatter inflated by vaal warchief which has an uptime of roughly zero in boss fights, berserk, no flasks, 60k ele ehp and 17k phys. Current league character with 3rd ascendancy and charms.

This is my POB: https://pobb.in/1nDxOKBuTSVx 5,84 mio initial hit damage with earthshatter, no warchief, no berserk, no flasks. 80k ele ehp and 20k phys. Standard character with no legacy gear, no 3rd ascendancy and no charms.

I am no expert on current league prices but i doubt the difference is all that big.

But sure, i know, it's all the games fault, you all are amazing players with perfect builds that can't possibly be improved so it's gotta be the games fault that you fail.