Golem Buffs

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Draegnarrr wrote:

golems problem need better survivability to actually fulfil their suggested role, but they are also kinda a trap anyway as even if their defences were good having a pet is a major survivability liability for most characters which will override the defensive bonuses.

I almost think we need a support that just makes them invul but unable to interact with anything, but that's just free power for any build with 2 sockets spare.

Its a tough one but really I think they are about right where they are, useful if you have a way to make them useful but useless otherwise.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

I don't mean for you to edit your own idea! I'm just expressing my counterarguments. I'm sure for every person on my side of the world, there's gonna be one on yours too!

As far as "golemancers don't exist": this has NOTHING to do with the buffs provided and everything to do with AI, numbers, and DAMAGE of golems. Golemancers didn't exist to exploit the buffs, although they definitely benefited. Golemancers were able to get awesome coverage and damage from the primordial jewels and powerful attacks of the golems. Primordial jewels have been gutted overall, made far more rare, and the base golem attacks have been gutted. On top of that, elementalist ascendancy received major golem changes, severely weakening them, AND the golem commander wheel got nerfed.

It is for THESE reasons above that golemancers fell out of favor, and NOT buffs being weak. For multiple leagues around the 3.7 - 3.13 heyday, I made a golemancer build every single league...it was one of my favorite builds. Stone golemancer, ice golemancer, flame golemancer, you name it I built it. Nowadays, the gems are too hard to get and the power just isn't there. And the AI is terrible.

To be perfectly honest with you, I had advocated sometime in the past for golems to LOSE their buff status completely because it didn't really make sense (except carrion). I wanted them to act as actual minions: unique attacks and skills that affected ENEMIES, not passive buffs that made them essentially walking auras. To that end, transfigured golems are actually a step in the right direction in my opinion. But it should be a tradeoff: if you want a buff golem, it should be damn near immortal. If you want a utility golem, it should require some investment to stay alive or additional gem slots. If you want a dps golem, it should have the numbers and behavior baked in, but require active upkeep.

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PrettyCasual wrote:

I think they should exist as an additional layer of build customization to ANY build, whether you only have 1 gem slot and want them just for their bonus buffs, or 4 slots and want them to serve as culling strike/mark application or whatever without needing 2-3 EXTRA slots just to keep them alive, while still requiring allout golemancers whose main damage dealer is the golems to link them to survivability support gems like Elemental Army, Meat Shield etc. In a perfect world, lets say an Ice golem linked with just Minion life should survive high tier maps when you're leading the way and clearing the monsters, keeping it away from harm (It probably already is possible on giga DPS builds that one shot everything, but that is the exception and not the rule, most builds can't do that).

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PrettyCasual wrote:

I'm suggesting adding the following inherent stats to all golems:

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40% Increased minion life
Regenerate 1% of life per second
+15% to all elemental resistances
+15% to chaos resistance
+7% additional physical damage reduction

I believe these defensive stats would not affect existing golem/minion builds that much, since the golems are already nearly immortal in these builds, but these stats would greatly benefit other archtypes that wish to add in a golem to their arsenal of buffs/utility application with only 1-2 gem slots to spare.

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Orbaal wrote:

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PrettyCasual wrote:

I'm suggesting adding the following inherent stats to all golems:

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40% Increased minion life
Regenerate 1% of life per second
+15% to all elemental resistances
+15% to chaos resistance
+7% additional physical damage reduction

I believe these defensive stats would not affect existing golem/minion builds that much, since the golems are already nearly immortal in these builds, but these stats would greatly benefit other archtypes that wish to add in a golem to their arsenal of buffs/utility application with only 1-2 gem slots to spare.

Sorry but this is nowhere near enough to make golems a viable options in redtier maps or higher w/o heavy investment into supports or skilltree.
This would be barely enough for the campaign and honestly I doubt even that.

What you are suggesting is pretty much half the sacrifice wheel in Templar start area plus half the Indomitable Army wheel near Witch start.
Its not bad, dont get me wrong, but I can tell you right now its not enough - not even close.
Sure those golems would die less often but they would still die way too often.


Honestly I think a better way to achieve this would be a new transfigured immortal version of those golems with watered down buffs and a duration of 30 seconds or something like that.
You spawn them, they do their thing, cant die and deal no dmg but despawn once the duration is up.

Pretty much as annoying as the March of the Legion boots - a temporary buff requiring extra buttons and that will likely deter a lot of players right away.