Are you serious ?! Why did RF got a HUGE buff ? Buff Bane if u nerfed Essence Drain.

Did u take a look at those ES builds from this league ? Imagine running around with a 70 % RF and 60.000 ES .. not to mention the new radius. Now you just enter a map and half the map dies .. RF was already overpowered.

Also why did u change Essence Drain ? It was not great already without 4 more dots like Bane and so on. Bane is still bad :( Make Bane an aura at least GGG. Don`t ruin Christmas, there is still hope. aaaaaaaa

RF buff? are you serious? its a big nerf. nobody plays RF as CI

The ceiling might be higher, but they removed the floor^^

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

RF buff? are you serious? its a big nerf. nobody plays RF as CI

time will say if it was a buff or nerf, GGG removed the base damage but if i read warlock of the mist skill right that ascedancy will add a ton of life

crimson power:
removes ES
gain maximum life instead of maximum ES from equiped armour items
-6 to life per level (characters gain inherently +12 life per level)


not sure how to read that.

600+ ES chest piece will give more life than kaoms heart while keeping sockets
crown of thorns 250+ life at lv 16
200+ from ES boots
200+ from ES gloves
300+ from shield

You're forgetting if you deck all out in ES gear like that you will have no armour or any other kind of mitigation. You can't even gravicius craft the chest or it will cut into your ES total.

At Level 90, 540 of that ES will be eaten up. So even on the gear you listed (which is pretty min-maxed to get those values), you are looking at less than 800 ES to life net.

Additionally, don't forget that this means no life rolls on your gear either to hit those ES targets. Once you subtract the life you would've otherwise had, the final net is even more pathetic.

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TemjinGold wrote:

You're forgetting if you deck all out in ES gear like that you will have no armour or any other kind of mitigation. You can't even gravicius craft the chest or it will cut into your ES total.

At Level 90, 540 of that ES will be eaten up. So even on the gear you listed (which is pretty min-maxed to get those values), you are looking at less than 800 ES to life net.

Additionally, don't forget that this means no life rolls on your gear either to hit those ES targets. Once you subtract the life you would've otherwise had, the final net is even more pathetic.

i am guessing here, It looked like a decent combo at first glance. wonder if Utula's Hunger will work with ES items that grant life?

I don't see why not. Utula's will likely have great synergy with ES items and that ascendancy. But I don't think this combo is what saves RF. Rather, it will just be a nice combo to use with literally anything else.

LOL, buff he said, I instantly saw it as a nerf... The "floor" DMG on early levels is somewhat better if you have like 500 life+level 1 RF or something. Then is starts to gradually drop off, becoming somewhat better after 7K HP, which is not too easy to get.

At the moment the only positive thing for sure is that radius probably, as for the damage I'm somewhat disappointed or rather not sure/confused how it will work out.

For example, let's say u are level 16:

500hp (35%DMG from this is 175) so 175+39(level1RF) = 214DMG
500hp (70% is 350) so 350DMG this is ~50% increase

Now let's say 5000hp and level 20gem:

5000hp (35% is 1750) so 1750+(level20RF)2450 = 4200DMG (I'm not even calculating in additional %spell damage)
5000hp (70% is 3500) so 3500DMG (it's a terrible almost 20% decrease :( )

So we can see that there's a significant drop off if you use only HP. I won't calculate additional ES, but pure life suffers if my calcs are correct.

Now, it slowly catches up past 6000HP, for example:

6500hp (35% is 2275) so 2275+2450 = 4725DMG
6500hp (70% is 4550) so 4550DMG so at this point if you have some ES like 500 at least you surpass the old gem?

As you can see it is kind of a NERF for plain life, or you need a high amount like 7K+ hp or additional ES for it to be better.

Again, not sure if I calculated everything correctly, but roughly it seems plain life is a nerf, especially if you are at ~5k life without ES, you would need additional 1000ES to catch up, but if we transfer 1000ES to old gem it still does more. Very weird spot right now.

The shittiest thing is that just when I wanted to try to play RF for the first time it went through such changes... GGG like untimely jokes...

It doesn't work out. This nerf effectively makes RF completely unviable as an endgame skill. If you invest mirrors into your build you can probably do... T16 maps and Guardians.

The problem isn't comparing it to Level 20/21 RF, it's comparing it to level 30 RF (which is where endgame versions of the build aim). For a life build to equal the old L30 RF damage numbers, you need over 26k life to do so.