Impending Doom Bug? Offering 10 Divine for solution

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Imo the issue described here is an intended behavior. Spell cascade overlapping is a whole point of this build, because it repeats curses after a delay, thus forcing separate curses recalculation and proper removal of the oldest curse (temp chains) IF you overflow your curse limit.

If you just cast temp chains with doom support (no cascade hit) while having vixens equipped (no cascade hit), temp chains won't ever be removed during that cast. Then your second cast does same thing as cascade repeat would have done.

During mapping you naturally bypass this issue because of aoe overlaps on masses of clustered mobs, so it doesn't matter. With bosses you should aim for cascade overlaps manually.

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Echothesis wrote:

Imo the issue described here is an intended behavior. Spell cascade overlapping is a whole point of this build, because it repeats curses after a delay, thus forcing separate curses recalculation and proper removal of the oldest curse (temp chains) IF you overflow your curse limit.

If you just cast temp chains with doom support (no cascade hit) while having vixens equipped (no cascade hit), temp chains won't ever be removed during that cast. Then your second cast does same thing as cascade repeat would have done.

During mapping you naturally bypass this issue because of aoe overlaps on masses of clustered mobs, so it doesn't matter. With bosses you should aim for cascade overlaps manually.

I will do some more research to be sure. If you are correct, obv i will dm you/whisper you ingame for the moneys.

But when it is intented behaviour, why didn't ANYONE call me out on my own stupidity (yet)? Or why posts like this exist in the previously mentioned spreadsheet for ideal cast speed / cdr ratio (FAQ section, faster casting did NOT fix my issue) :

https://imgur.com/kHuEodk


Idk maybe it is intended, buy why did no one say anything (even tuna said that this doesnt look normal... idk, maybe he is screwing with me?)

As I said before, you'll need to flag down either Tuna or someone else who plays this build heavily. It's a popular enough build and Tuna even has this particular issue in an FAQ vid with him going over the most common reasons (none of which apply to your case). Everyone else is just randomly guessing.

I don't have a stake in anything, just trying to help as I do with others. I have no use for your currency (league is done, I don't play Standard, and I was SSF this league anyway).

Until you find Tuna or another player of this build, you won't get anywhere with solving it.

I've played the pathfinder version quite heavily on league start from 50ish until ubers and 100% deli and I don't get pops without spell cascade on the first cast either unless I'm using cursed ground support.

I also thought that spell cascade is the important part but I'll still leave my PoB here.

https://pobb.in/7ARhvrPL-xuT

yeah i had the same issue

however it does not halve your dps. it makes it more annoying to kill packs because you sometimes have to fire twice, but once you start proccing it will proc on every cast, so for single target you get your ideal dps anyways

I currently think it SHOULD be intended and i hear at least the doom blast proc (?) sound in every cast after the first one (tested on big non moving boss with extra hp).

Also it matches with majority of descriptions in video's of Fyregrass and Zizaran regarding that topic.


The following questionmarks remain:

1. Trigger order assuming i would count the temp chain as trigger (thats where the semicorrect comes in, also vixens has no trigger gem itself in any slot) is:

Main hand ⇒ Amulet ⇒ Helm ⇒ Off hand ⇒ Body armour ⇒ Gloves ⇒ Boots

according to https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Trigger
Even so if we would follow that order to the teeth, the filler curse would have been placed in the chest armour, while vixens apply the debuffs <= careful this is NOT how impending seem to work!


2. The spread sheet in Tuna's video guide suggests it is a bug:
https://imgur.com/kHuEodk

My current build is at 30 cdr and 150 cast speed, which is ideal and even with slightly lower cast speed the behaviour stays the same.

Tuna himself confirmed on stream, that my cast did not look normal, which made me start this whole thing.

Nevertheless, my build is 95% Tuna's Version, so even IF that one thing got not fully explained in the guide nor in the spread sheet, it doesn't take away that the build, as soon as it hits end game feels really smooth.

I'm currently trying to contact Echothesis to give him his promised reward.


TL;DR
Impending Doom WITHOUT spellcascade is supposed to apply the debuff curses first and starts triggering on each subsequent cast/overlap.
If it doesn't trigger on every subsequent cast, chances are that ur cast speed is too high. I recommend testing it on a non moving boss, like Belfry map boss.