Spectre abilities that grant charges to allies not copying to player with Supreme Grandstanding

Supreme Grandstanding: Nearby allies and enemies share charges with you.

Expected behavior: when minions gain charges (such as Frenzy with the Carnage Chieftain or Power with the Host Chieftain), as allies, their charges should be shared with the player. Ie. the player should get one charge from the ability, and then X more charges, where X is the number of nearby allies that also got the charge. If they get it, they should share with you.

Observed behavior: The player only gets a single charge - the charges from allies are not shared with the player.

Supreme Grandstanding only affects Party Members. Minions, Traps, Totems, and Mines are not party members.

Lol no



And yes, minions are allies. You can check this by doing stuff like Umbilicus Immortalis + Doedre's, granting all of your minions charges, which - through Grandstanding - are copied and redirected to you en masse. The Doed's in my bank has 3E/1F/2P charge on use, but when I use it with UI+Grandstanding, I get 3 of all charges - because the game is trying to give me 33 End charges, 11 Frenzy, and 22 Power charges from a total of 11 minions (8 zombies and 3 spectres).

Minions like Shavronne's Gemling that grant itself charges before consuming them with Discharge also properly feed you copies of those charges.

The exceptions seem to be anything that uses the 'MassFrenzy' or 'MassPower' abilities. When those mobs give charges to itself and nearby allies, those charges specifically are not copied and funneled to you, but they should be.

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seaman wrote:

It looks like there is a slight difference in this mechanics of gaining charges. Doedre's elixir and Shavronne's Gemling cause minions to gain charges directly for themselves. And they share them with you. MassFrenzy/Power grants charges to minions, they don't gain them themselves. So they won't be able to share them with you.

I use that spectre too. I think the reason is, the skill MassFrenzy is grant charge to other allies included the player, and then the dev prevent the game to allow the player to gain charge again from MassFrenzy from Supreme Grandstanding as double dip

While for Doedre's Elixir + Umbilicus Immortalis + Supreme Grandstanding

you can't double dip as the belt has the mod "Flasks do not apply to you"