F2P Vs P2P

First I’d like to make it clear that I have zero issues with F2P being more difficult than P2P. Nor do I have an issue with the monetization methods of PoE for the most part. I do think buffing items so they’re Meta or adding meta defining items. Then selling a skin for that buffed/added item in the “battle pass” is kinda scummy. Basically saying here’s a shiny item oh you took it now lookie here ooo ahhh shiny skin for the item $19.99. However you have to make money and the person buying is willingly being tricked into it. My issue I want to touch on actual is stash tabs or rather how they function. Selling stash tabs is 100% okay there’s no issue with giving people paid for consciences. However as someone who played since league 1 as a F2P player. I noticed a consistent impossibility to EVER reach end game or EVER make a full build. The reason for that, you cannot sell items without buying a stash tab. Thus you cannot earn enough currency to hit end game. This to me goes far beyond F2P has to play more to reach end game. This instead makes it so you never reach end game. That is not an acceptable way to treat F2P players, it’s actually neglecting a good chunk of the player base. inconvenience is acceptable that’s why you have limited tabs. Needing to play 10hrs a day while P2P has to play 2hrs a day for the same progression is acceptable. HOWEVER F2P needing to play 20hrs a day the full league to make it to end game then well new leagues starting, isn’t acceptable.

In my experience playing all 40 leagues either on this PS4 account or my PC account I’ve managed to gain 2658 Chaos Orbs 4 Exalted Orbs 462 Divine Orbs 0 mirrors and 9684 scouring orbs within 38 F2P leagues. The last 2 leagues between Forbidden Sanctum and Crucible with 4 stash Tabs. I’ve managed to gain 10364 Chaos 3862 Exalted Orbs 582 Divine Orbs 2 Mirrors(by trading divines) and 29183 Scouring Orbs. That’s a f****** ridiculous amount of currency that I earned more in 1 and 1/10th of a league. Verses 38 f****** leagues as a F2P player. That is an absolutely disgusting difference in playability.

You should allow F2P to use 1 of their limited tabs as a sell tab, full stop. It’s actually absurd that you can’t sell anything unless you spam global or find random people to buy your items at a far lower cost so they’ll come to you over the market. All while also not having a full build that can speed clear efficiently because you can’t afford it. So you can clear can’t farm can’t sell stuff and you’re competing for buyers who have to intentionally seek you out over the connivence of the trade market.

You can list items for sale from the website via making a forum thread without needing a premium stash tab

In the old races you could earn small amounts of points that would eventually be enough for a new tab or a premium tab, I'm not sure if GGG has anything against it but having 5-10 points at the end of the free kirac pass would go a long way towards securing some new permanent residents.

Though even a one-time-only tab upgrade option via participation in leagues/events would be pretty cool i think, Hoping GGG can find a solution that works for them and doesn't mess with their bottom line too much.

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Tsayah wrote:

You can list items for sale from the website via making a forum thread without needing a premium stash tab

o-o been here a minute and did not know that was a thing, thanks for the info!

Edit: and sometimes you gotta knowledge the portion of the human species who would try to exploit that new player system to farm mystery boxes on a thousand accounts and im sure GGG has to consider this stuff too since it affects them in some ways more than us, Because of that something like a premium upgrade ticket might be more tasteful if they were to go in this direction at any point in the future.

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Tsayah wrote:

You can list items for sale from the website via making a forum thread without needing a premium stash tab

This is true for PC however it’s not true for Console. It’s also an extra step that just shouldn’t be needed on PC when the tabs exist and the technology exists to post it automatically via a Tab. Another issue with that is you have to post it on a forum which in my experience is actually slower than linking it in global for sell. If they want to maintain the full value of a bought sell tab without completely screwing over F2P. They can take 1 of their full tabs make it into 2 half tabs. So one is a small sell tab and a small none sell tab. I don’t think forcing people to jump through hoops is good for the game as a whole. As someone who has 1 of each tab + 4 sell tabs I’m never gonna experience a terrible league again. So this issue for me is more about anyone who doesn’t have the tabs.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

In the old races you could earn small amounts of points that would eventually be enough for a new tab or a premium tab, I'm not sure if GGG has anything against it but having 5-10 points at the end of the free kirac pass would go a long way towards securing some new permanent residents.

Though even a one-time-only tab upgrade option via participation in leagues/events would be pretty cool i think, Hoping GGG can find a solution that works for them and doesn't mess with their bottom line too much.

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Tsayah wrote:

You can list items for sale from the website via making a forum thread without needing a premium stash tab

o-o been here a minute and did not know that was a thing, thanks for the info!

Edit: and sometimes you gotta knowledge the portion of the human species who would try to exploit that new player system to farm mystery boxes on a thousand accounts and im sure GGG has to consider this stuff too since it affects them in some ways more than us, Because of that something like a premium upgrade ticket might be more tasteful if they were to go in this direction at any point in the future.

I could see them doing an earn to use premium tab but for it to not completely diminish bought tabs it would have to be a in league thing not permanent. Then you reearn it each league as a F2P player. I’m sure there would be P2P players who would hate that, however that would probably be a small portion. My option of a sell tab tho keeps the same amount of F2P tabs and Space but opens the door for actually playing the game. My alternative idea is to cut 1 tan in half and makes a small sell tan and a small none sell tan out of it. Thus reducing the sell space F2P has by allot so that premium tabs still hold the vast majority of their value.