Kinetic bolt interaction in a conversion build?

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Kinetic Bolt.


There's the word "also" there when regarding spell damage. I believe it can mean two things.
One. It was coded exactly like a spell. With the difference of having an "attack" tag between it's prefixes.
Making it a rather weak spell, that's in need of accuaracy at that.
And making me probably the only fool that picked this nerfed thing to league start.
Because oh boy, what a terrible single target. It treats any target above magic like uber eater of the worlds or something.


Two The other possibility it's that the spell damage is aplied to the attack damage, with "attack damage" being still the damage "responsable" in the skill. Like something that would modify it, not be same of it. Therefore, just like all other attack damage builds that has "spell damage" modifications, the conversion "to elemental damage" would benefit from that "spell damage".
In this instance, such a gem, would be a useful one.

If anyone could please help me answering that, well, you have my gratitute.
You're probably a gamer "saving builds" angel or something. Because depending of the answer, I may have to change lots of things x.x

Its just an attack which damage get boosted by any bonuses you have for "spell damage" in addition to what modifiers normally ably to a projectile attack.

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Torguemada wrote:

Its just an attack which damage get boosted by any bonuses you have for "spell damage" in addition to what modifiers normally ably to a projectile attack.

Yes.
My doubt is. Could the "spell damage" mods be again aplied to their natural correlations? Like elemental damage.
That's why I placed those two circunstances above.

Please, some help here x.x
Will elemental damage conversion stack with kinetic bolt bônus?
Spell damage aplies to elemental damage.
And aplies to attacks that deal elemental damage.
Would it apply to kinetic bolt when converted?
I mean, if it's not coded like a spell, I believe it would... But if it's... Well, just like spell damage doesn't apply twice to a elemental converted spell. Because, it's a spell... It won't apply to kinetic bolt x.x
The tricky part is the description of the skill x.x

Someone? A word? Alone here?~
If doesn'ts apply~ kinetic bolt is probably inferior to most physical spells and all attack conversions... unless, divergent quality probably... And I will have to get rid of it x.x

Your increased elemental damage won't have any impact on it. The wordings used in this game are very specific. They usually mean what they mean. Not even "more spell damage", only "increased spell damage" have any impact. Quite sure about that.

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jeerinho wrote:

Your increased elemental damage won't have any impact on it. The wordings used in this game are very specific. They usually mean what they mean. Not even "more spell damage", only "increased spell damage" have any impact. Quite sure about that.

Oh. You misunderstood.

It's a converted build. The scenario.
My doubt is about spell damage applying to the converted elemental damage.
Because it's already being aplied to the attack damage. But the wording says "also". The skill is heird.

Let's say your build has these stats:
100% increased attack damage
100% increased spell damage
100% increased elemental damage
50% reduced spell damage
20% less spell damage

Final tally of your Kinetic Bolt would be:
+ 100
+ 100 x 200%
+ 100
- 50 x 200%
= 300% increased damage

The "less spell damage" has no effect because it is a "less" modifier, not a "reduction" modifier.

"Increased elemental" will not apply twice. There is no double-dipping in this game.

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Let's say your build has these stats:
100% increased attack damage
100% increased spell damage
100% increased elemental damage
50% reduced spell damage
20% less spell damage

Oh, elemental isn't a problem.
Builds with kinetic bolt do not invest in elemental damage, I suppose. Because spell applies to elemental.
The problem is spell damage. And the wording "also".
Here it's:
let's say I have 100% spell damage being applied to attack damage.
then I convert the physical damage from the attack to elemental. 100%.
spell damage aplies to elemental damage. therefore, would spell damage "also" be applied to it? Was already applied in the calculations before. I mean.
I mean. I get about double dipping.
But then recently I found these:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2785064. Very old though. And I found some posts about the gem itself getting nerfed from there. Don't know to what extent. Word "also" confusing again all of sudden. Why word it "also" if it's going to affect only one thing?
Also. Fair to say. Can't test a few theories myself. Don't have the regrets and itens to to pure convert it to something whithout other complex modifiers related and check the math.
That's why my call for help x.x

Edit: Ah! The calculation above. 100% elemental and 100% spell, in a skill that deals 100% elemental damage, I imagine, would equal 200% spell or 200 elemental (in other words, since their "use is the same"). Because, both would apply, not twice though, of course.

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In order to get the most benefit we will be converting our damage as much as possible. By doing this we can greatly increase our total damage.

OK, but he/she did not state specifically if the conversion is beneficial because of the nature of Kinetic Bolt or is conversion simply being generically better, like say even if that entire build is now revolved around Power Siphon, he could have still kept that proclamation in his/her build guide. One way you could immediately find out is using Path of Building.