What level of automated gameplay is OK?

I was watching the gauntlet. The winner had a macro to automate resetting Foothills in order to quickly find instances of Betrayal/Syndicate. It appears to simply click on the waypoint and moves to ctrl+click a new instance. At least that is what the streamer says the macro does.

I understand it is not bannable, at least according to that streamer's chat. There's obviously video footage and so on and they're still in the game.

Is there an in-depth clarification somewhere? Something about what is OK.


Also: are there similar places in the game where macros can save some clicking? Any common ones we should know about?

GGG's policy is that one keystroke can only do one in game action.

Example: A macro triggered by a keystroke logs you out.

Any macro that does more than one in game action is forbidden.

You mention a streamer resetting a zone to run it over and over.

Well...thats a single action, so its acceptable.



On the other hand, a few years ago, GGG said that while having a macro quaff more than one flask is a violation of the rules, its not something they will ban players for.
(this was before instilling orbs)

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Odif wrote:

You mention a streamer resetting a zone to run it over and over.

Well...thats a single action, so its acceptable.

Aha, OK! So as long as it's one actual keystroke per click or action, that is acceptable. I guess I envisioned automated clicking for simply using jeweller's or fusings on a piece of gear, that was one action.

The reset of the Foothills instance is a click on the waypoint and moving the mouse pointer to the Foothills circle and a cltr+click on that and then a click on new, after which the mouse pointer moves to the waypoint again.

They mean only one server-side action. So nevermind how much client-side actions your script is automating, as long as you do only one server-side action (in this case pressing the "new instance" button, then they are totally fine with it.

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treme wrote:

I was watching the gauntlet. The winner had a macro to automate resetting Foothills in order to quickly find instances of Betrayal/Syndicate. It appears to simply click on the waypoint and moves to ctrl+click a new instance. At least that is what the streamer says the macro does.

I understand it is not bannable

It is...they have banned people for this before...there used to be a flag for how many instances there were getting created, pretty sure it is still there but tuned to allow normal play.

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treme wrote:

I was watching the gauntlet. The winner had a macro to automate resetting Foothills in order to quickly find instances of Betrayal/Syndicate. It appears to simply click on the waypoint and moves to ctrl+click a new instance. At least that is what the streamer says the macro does.

I understand it is not bannable, at least according to that streamer's chat. There's obviously video footage and so on and they're still in the game.

Is there an in-depth clarification somewhere? Something about what is OK.


Also: are there similar places in the game where macros can save some clicking? Any common ones we should know about?

Oh, it wasn't just one macro he had loads of them. Log out, log in, switching characters, I saw him walk into town then the next instant (I'm talking what I think was a single frame) he was standing in town. Saw he logged out and back in without ever having to click a thing. Going from one character and loading in a different character and all I saw was fade out one and fade in another.

There were so many of these going on I was starting to wonder what I was doing wrong and how these guys were able to select and do things we couldn't read or see. How was he dong Betrayal so fast?

What kind of keyboard are they using to do this stuff? It annoys me I have a very high quality ducky shine mini and more or less it's usless to me for this game.

You know what also gives them huge advantages? You think they are only using one monitor? Do you think they are doing this by themselves? Or do you think they have maybe guildmates or employees that are feeding them information, telling them what to do next. I figured this out sometime ago when I figured out some streamers have 2 or 3 guys farming currency for them and that's how they were able to craft their items. Some of them are very honest about it and will tell you that's the case.

Back when I played WoW I would watch Method and Limit doing their world first run. These guys are backed by companies with deep pockets and they are doing a job, they are not playing for fun. Being part of Method is more closely like getting hired for a job. The level of organization and strategies developed by these people were phenomenal. When you look at the LoL world events you will see they have managers. Who do you think these managers work for? That's right, the sponsors, they develop strategies and keep the team focused. They even have trainers for mouse movement that help the player play at his best with the mouse.

Now I'm not saying Ben was doing this at all, but I am saying it's everywhere in gaming. Some people have teams some don't. But what do you think it's worth to a company to have thousands of views watching your adds for 48 hours? Enough to provide some support?

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Valkaneer wrote:

What kind of keyboard are they using to do this stuff?

There are a lot of ways for people to do single action macros that are not against the TOS. Here are some examples.

"Gaming Keypad": [Removed by Support]

or

"Autohoykey": [Removed by Support]
I don't think the lutbot macro is against the ToS, if it is please remove.

or

"El Gato Streamdeck": [Removed by Support]

I personally use a combination of Autohotkey scripts and my Corsair k95 [Removed by Support]. I also have the Tartarus while useful, I am just too used to my keyboard.

Sheesh...when did cntrl-click become so tiresome and lengthy a process so as to require a macro.

/smh

Seems there are no bounds to human beings laziness.

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superbomb1967 wrote:

Sheesh...when did cntrl-click become so tiresome and lengthy a process so as to require a macro.

/smh

Seems there are no bounds to human beings laziness.

It's not sloth in the case of the Gauntlets, it's a matter of speed. A macro can act faster than a human, pure and simple (or at the very least, as fast as the fastest human, without the strain such speed would demand on their wrists).

So if you're doing it five hundred times a race, there's real value there.

Sorta the built in down side of a race in a game like Path, or any 'do X first', is you either need to be a little permitting of these, or you have to ask anying doing it professionally risks destroying their body to win (which means anyone who wants to win must, because at least one idiot who wants it bad enough will do it).

Same reason drugs are banned (or should be) in most compitive sports, because once you allow them, they become manditory to any team aiming to win.

This isn't necessarily just a causal player looking to save a click or two, though some of that exists, but either speed runners, or people who play so often those one or two clicks amount to a real chunk of time. Also, same thing was said about the printing press.

just remove league mechanics from storyline and it's fine