General Discussion - standard league and the season reset feature. - Forum

" DarthSki44 wrote: I think that's pretty unfair to say only "casuals" want consistency from games. I would disagree wholeheartedly. It's a good thing I didn't say, write or think that, then. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.	Posted by Phrazz#3529 on Jan 20, 2023, 2:38:29 PM Quote this Post
" Phrazz wrote: " DarthSki44 wrote: I think that's pretty unfair to say only "casuals" want consistency from games. I would disagree wholeheartedly. It's a good thing I didn't say, write or think that, then. Well it was certainly inferred or why else would you even being up "casuals" in the context of meta swings and changes in terms of the games performance? I did mention Standard, but again that doesnt immediately mean a casual player either? I took your post(s) to mean you think casuals want the game to remain consistent on average, and the more hardcore/ elite players want more meta shifts. I dont think that's fair. Or I guess clarify why you felt it was important to qualify "casual" in this discussion? "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln	Posted by DarthSki44#6905 on Jan 20, 2023, 2:53:36 PM On Probation Quote this Post
if you like to play standard, play standard. much league content makes it into core and this means into standard. i agree, replaying this garbage campain the 600th time is a waste of time and it stops me from joining most leagues too. i only play the ones that really hook me, maybe 1 league every year just because of the campain. ruthless was the last catch and i rly enjoy it. sad part is: the whole league mechanic rly does not fit the game mode....	Posted by pandafutter#5818 on Jan 20, 2023, 2:59:11 PM Quote this Post
" DarthSki44 wrote: Or I guess clarify why you felt it was important to qualify "casual" in this discussion? Because I think a more stable game without huge changes is most beneficial to casual players, that don't have the time, will or wish to constantly check up on patch notes, updates and changes. And yes, I think more casual players than 'dedicated' players wish for less changes. You can of course disagree here, but I think you'd be wrong. But to go from there, like you did, and pick the word "only" out of nowhere, making everything black or white, is dishonest at best. Or in other words: Total BS. But I'm used to it from you by now, so no harm done :) Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile. Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Jan 20, 2023, 3:24:03 PM	Posted by Phrazz#3529 on Jan 20, 2023, 3:23:35 PM Quote this Post
" Phrazz wrote: " DarthSki44 wrote: Or I guess clarify why you felt it was important to qualify "casual" in this discussion? Because I think a more stable game without huge changes is most beneficial to casual players, that don't have the time, will or wish to constantly check up on patch notes, updates and changes. And yes, I think more casual players than 'dedicated' players wish for less changes. You can of course disagree here, but I think you'd be wrong. But to go from there, like you did, and pick the word "only" out of nowhere, making everything black or white, is dishonest at best. Or in other words: Total BS. But I'm used to it from you by now, so no harm done :) Oh hell no you dont get to do that after dropping the mother of all hyperbole lol. " Phrazz wrote: This is true for all games: All games in the history of games "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Jan 20, 2023, 4:13:21 PM	Posted by DarthSki44#6905 on Jan 20, 2023, 4:13:03 PM On Probation Quote this Post
" DarthSki44 wrote: Oh hell no you dont get to do that after dropping the mother of all hyperbole lol. You need to explain that one to me. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.	Posted by Phrazz#3529 on Jan 20, 2023, 4:40:44 PM Quote this Post
" Phrazz wrote: " DarthSki44 wrote: Oh hell no you dont get to do that after dropping the mother of all hyperbole lol. You need to explain that one to me. Because you said you had issue with not really my point, but because I said "only", which cmon. That's obviously not true, I'm sure there are some, somewhere, just as I'm sure you didnt actually mean all games in the history of gaming. That's not a good faith counter-argument. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln	Posted by DarthSki44#6905 on Jan 20, 2023, 4:46:33 PM On Probation Quote this Post
" DarthSki44 wrote: That's not a good faith counter-argument. Making hyperbolic claims/statement is one thing, twisting other peoples words to give them a totally unintended meaning is something else. We'd just have to agree to disagree about which is "worse faith". You're free to have the last word here, I'm done. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile. Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Jan 20, 2023, 5:04:45 PM	Posted by Phrazz#3529 on Jan 20, 2023, 5:04:34 PM Quote this Post
" Newnewz wrote: to follow up my thread i wanted to add , GGG constantly screwing around with standard. Disruption is a HUGE turn off for casual and many gamers. e.g. Logging in only to find your skill tree wiped with NO IDEA of what it was before is disrespectful of a player's time. Being forced to constantly look up your build every new league because it was nerfed into the ground is NOT FUN. At some point players go "F it. I'Il just play another game." MMOs have the same problem but they usually don't invalidate both skills AND gear with patches. Their expansions are usually in addition to the base game, not out-right replacements for it. For example, WoW players go back to previous expansions to farm transmogs (gear reskins) and until recently, pre-Shadow Lands, gold farming. I've heard FFXVIX does a better job of not invalidating previous eynansions when a new one comes out since players also run it for some of the same reasons, one of them being glamour (reskins.) Making standard more "consistent" with opt-in content would go a long way towards repairing the damage of GG has done. Do they? Or is it just because of a change within the base game? Funny how people expect to keep their old atlas passive tree and stuff after a larger rework. Also it's hard to compare a arpg with a mmorpg. But even they do big changes from time to time so Flames and madness. I'm so glad I didn't miss the fun. Last edited by Pashid#4643 on Jan 23, 2023, 2:28:21 PM	Posted by Pashid#4643 on Jan 23, 2023, 2:22:46 PM Quote this Post
" pandafutter wrote: if you like to play standard, play standard. much league content makes it into core and this means into standard. i agree, replaying this garbage campain the 600th time is a waste of time and it stops me from joining most leagues too. i only play the ones that really hook me, maybe 1 league every year just because of the campain. ruthless was the last catch and i rly enjoy it. sad part is: the whole league mechanic rly does not fit the game mode.... So basically you're saying the campaign that takes an average player around 10 hours is the reason to skip a 3-month league while also saying you like Ruthless? You makes as much sense as wearing sandals in winter. I don't like leveling too, stopped liking that literally 9 years ago, since then I make 1 or sometimes 2 characters per league. I did play permanent Standard a few times too when not feeling like doing the same thing for a consecutive league, switching it up even more in SSF when I don't want to feel the wealth pressure. You can do literally everything you want, yet people blame the campaign for not playing a specific way. I can't follow this new era of gamers logic anymore. I feel for a lot of devs trying to please so many non-sensical vocal minorites that stopped using capital letters these days. Last edited by leto2626#2588 on Jan 23, 2023, 9:42:32 PM	Posted by leto2626#2588 on Jan 23, 2023, 9:39:59 PM Quote this Post