Gain charge after spending mana

Hi
I am thinking about generating charges by using mana. I found that the number of charges generated is not as expected. As seen in my video, the total mana cost of one trigger is more than 800, but only 2 frenzy charges and 1 power charge are generated. I am wondering what's the reason.
Thanks
https://www.veed.io/view/e64065dc-3cd7-4dea-bc5a-3942c86321c2?sharingWidget=true&panel=share
Last bumped on Jan 7, 2023, 3:38:36 PM
1) You are consistently generating 3 frenzy charges. Slow down your vid at 00:40. Especially when you take of your Discharge.

2) As on why you have only 1 power charge, its kinda weird. Probably a visual bug since you should be at 3, the same as frenzy charges.

3) You won't be able to get more than 3 frenzy charges through your Off-Hand implicit because you didn't spend 800 mana before Discharge goes off.

When multiple CWDT skill gems are used, the order of which CWDT first triggered goes as follow ;
Main hand ⇒ Amulet ⇒ Helm ⇒ Off hand ⇒ Body armour ⇒ Gloves ⇒ Boots

And the order on which skill triggered first on CWDT setup goes from top left socket, to bottom left socket. Following the socket link.

On your setup, you gonna trigger skeleton > discharge > elemental weakness (slotted in the first slot on your glove, so it will always triggered first) > Wave of conviction.

On your opening loop, you gonna get 1 frenzy charge from Wave of Conviction cast as it costs 568 mana >> Then you trigger Discharge (214 mana cost), you get 1 frenzy >> Then your next WOC gives your 1 frenzy >> Curses (ele weakness>assa mark>conductivity) + skeleton give you 1frenzy charges >> And the loop goes on.

Your curses will always be ele weakness (85mana) > assasin mark (85mana) > conductivity (127 mana). This won't make you to be able to generate an extra charge with the next skeleton trigger, as any combination of your curses won't reach 200 mana cost. So then when you trigger your skeleton, the 200 mana threshold isn't reached.

If you want to get 4 frenzy charges on the next loop, you need to reach at least 400 mana cost threshold on your curses > skeleton. But you need to carefully divide it. Assuming the implicit works like Forbidden power, the left-over mana cost after you get frenzy charge doesn't carried over to the next spell cast to reach 200 mana spent threshold.

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Cast_when_Damage_Taken_Support
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Forbidden_Power_(Ascendancy_passive_skill)
Last edited by bewilder2#0356 on Jan 1, 2023, 8:34:57 PM
Thank you so much for your explaination!
Hi,
I am considering generating charges by spending mana using the shaper wand suffix. But the number of charges generated is not as expected. As shown in the video, 8(2*1 from forbidden rite, skeleton and curse, 2*1 from discharge, and 2*2 from shock nova) power charges should be generated in a circle, but only two come true.
https://www.veed.io/view/35533c72-b8a4-42eb-aced-4ae02bb3f355?panel=share
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

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