suggest me build for mayhem SSF

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PoitelMarto wrote:

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VoidMoon wrote:

Every single person ranked on PoE ninja is using wintertide as occultist, not inquis.

If I understand what Orbaal suggests, Occultist is way stronger than inqui in regular SC play, but also has higher requirements to run smoothly, so it makes sense to favor Inqui in a super scarce environment.

Exactly :)


Occ scales better with gear but has to deal with the downside of being more squishy.

Inquis doesnt need as much gear thx to RF in order to scale the dmg and is easily capable of bypassing mana issues utilizing lifetap and can simply spam all abilities, while also enjoying better sustain and defenses.


I have played multiple versions of Wintertide as Occ, Elementalist and Inquis.
Occ is well rounded, Elementalist has the highest dmg ceiling and Inquis is defensivly the strongest option while getting away with trashtier gear as well.

Wintertide served me well in Gauntlet events, its a good skill and doesnt require a ton of dmg. I killed Sirus 8, back when he was the big baddie, with about 300k dps effortlessly, although it took quite some time.
Inquis should be able to achieve some 150k dps without any gear at all and thats enough to take on everything except Pinnacle bosses. If you do get some gear going this build is able to take everything but uber uber bosses.

Its a solid choice in SSF events.

This is just such bad advice. Why are you saying inquisitor is tankier? It is absolutely not. With inquisitor you get pious path which will give you some health and es regen and reduction on curses.

Lets see what other nodes you can take after pious path.
Augury of pertinence: 16% increased damage and 8% less taken damage by nearby enemies, of which you don't want to be nearby so this node is bad. Notice this is increased damage not more, big difference.

Instruments of virtue is for melee builds, so is bad. Instruments of Zeal you'd need to take a 3 nodes taht don't do anything for you to get 4 fanatic charges

Inevitable judgement is to make crit builds, and winter tide can't crit, so no use.

Righteous Providence gives you 50 strength and 50 intelligence.

So choosing inquisitor gives you a whopping 7.5% health regen, and the same amount of es regen, and 50 strength and intelligence.

Let's see what occultist gives you:

Malediction: An entire extra curse. This is either more survivability or more damage, up to you.

Profane bloom, will help clear and is invaluable to scale damage on a budget. This node alone is better than entire ascendancies in the game.

Void Beacon: 20% reduced Cold resistance. That's a 20% more damage.

Then you have the choice of Vile bastion which will give you 10% ES regen while mapping and immunity to stuns or 15% MORE cold damage while freezing and chilling everything near you constantly for free with Frigid wake.

Or you can take withering presence which 60% chaos resistance for free.

So not only does Occultist do massive amounts more damage, have better clear, but it is also tankier.

Everything Occultist does makes you tankier and do more cold damage.

With inquisitor you literally get 7.5% health regen and the same es regen, and 50 strength and intelligence.

Stop spreading bad advice. There is literally a reason why even on SSF every single person taking wintertide is occultist.

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VoidMoon wrote:

This is just such bad advice. Why are you saying inquisitor is tankier? It is absolutely not. With inquisitor you get pious path which will give you some health and es regen and reduction on curses.

Lets see what other nodes you can take after pious path.
Augury of pertinence: 16% increased damage and 8% less taken damage by nearby enemies, of which you don't want to be nearby so this node is bad. Notice this is increased damage not more, big difference.

You might want to read the bolded part again.

Its increased dmg taken! This is the most powerful dmg multiplier in this game, nothing comes even close to this. Especially when you are fighting stuff with high resistences and dmg reduction like bosses or AN.


Regarding Pious Path and regen. I dont think you understand what it does.
Its granting the existing life regen as ES regen as well, resulting in TWICE the sustain as long as you are able to split the dmg between life and ES, which isnt hard to do at all.
Even if you only had the 7.5% regen you mentioned, this equals 15% regen, which is solid in its own right.


Its sounds like you havent played Inquis a lot lately and dont really understand what it does. Its argueably THE strongest ascendancy out there right now for good reason.

Anyways, have a great day

I just spent 30 mins writing paragraphs of how this is awful, but I'm just going to drop it and leave this tid bit.

Inquisitor is one of the best ascendancies in the game not because of pious path but because of inevitable judgement. This negates all resistances from an enemy which enables you to free a whole curse and support gem from your gear. This gives you a MASSIVE damage increase as an additional curse + extra support can be something like 50% MORE damage before resists just from those 2 things, and then since it bypasses resists, if you are fighting something with 50% resists that's another 50% MORE damage there.

In addition righteous providence gives 1% increased crit chance per strength or int. In a caster build it's easy to have 300 int with no investment, you are looking at 300% increased crit chance right there.

That is why inquisitor is good. Pious path is just a cherry on top that gives some regen. It is extremely good for righteous fire, but that's about it. It's just a bonus, not the whole reason to pick the ascendancy, or why everyone is picking it - which is because crit chance.

Think of archnem mobs. Top resist is 75% for a mob, and arch nem can get an additional 10%. So you'd need to bypass 85% resist to damage fully an archnem mob normally, but inquisitor totally bypasses that. THAT'S why they are so strong.



TL:DR: There is a reason why absolutely nobody goes inquisitor for non crit builds outside of RF

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VoidMoon wrote:

I just spent 30 mins writing paragraphs of how this is awful, but I'm just going to drop it and leave this tid bit.

Yeah I read it before you edited it.

You made very clear that you do not understand what the phrase "increased dmg taken" means.
Id suggest you do look into that. You´d be surprised how good it actually is.


And yes, Occ does get one extra curse, which is nowhere near as strong as you seem to think vs bosses.
On paper this could result in 50% reduced ele res thats true, if it wasnt for a 66% curse immunity bosses do enjoy. Meaning that if you dont invest into curse effect, bosses dont realy care all that much about curses.


Besides, Inquis is one of the most versatile Ascendancies in existence for anything to do with ele dmg. Thats why its good and popular.
And there are plenty builds other than RF being played utilizing the raw power Inquis has to offer and its not just about the crit.
Its nice for sure but far less powerful than you seem to think.


I tested this, otherwise I wouldnt suggest it.
I´ll leave it at that.

Sorry but Orbaal's pitch really isn't that bad, people go Occultist because its setup as the ascendancy for cold/chaos its the same as people go occultist for hexblast.

That doesn't mean Inquisitor has no legs, Pious path is so stupidly strong that you can compete on most spells even with 6pt trees where you ignore the last 2 ascendancy points for being low value. There is a reason I guessed their angle as soon as it was mentioned and that's because its a plausible build approach.

I personally always do wintertide as elementalist which gives you the most dps value ;p fight me!

Orbaal is spot on. For Kalandra, I made an Inquisitor variant of the LS Champ everyone was playing and despite not having spell suppress, it felt tankier than the champ at similar investment level. Pious Path is in no way "a little bit of regen." It is NOT 7.5 life and es regen. If you have say 5000 life and 2000 ES, it is 375 life (7.5%) regen and 375 ES (18.75%). If you tack on Vitality and nodes on the tree, every flat point of life regen you get there ALSO applies 1:1 to your ES.

As for Augury, Bottled Faith costs what it does primarily because of the "10% increased damage taken" mod. Augury's 16% is basically Bottled Faith plus 60% increased effect orb except it's always on.

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VoidMoon wrote:

I just spent 30 mins writing paragraphs of how this is awful, but I'm just going to drop it and leave this tid bit.

Inquisitor is one of the best ascendancies in the game not because of pious path but because of inevitable judgement. This negates all resistances from an enemy which enables you to free a whole curse and support gem from your gear. This gives you a MASSIVE damage increase as an additional curse + extra support can be something like 50% MORE damage before resists just from those 2 things, and then since it bypasses resists, if you are fighting something with 50% resists that's another 50% MORE damage there.

In addition righteous providence gives 1% increased crit chance per strength or int. In a caster build it's easy to have 300 int with no investment, you are looking at 300% increased crit chance right there.

That is why inquisitor is good. Pious path is just a cherry on top that gives some regen. It is extremely good for righteous fire, but that's about it. It's just a bonus, not the whole reason to pick the ascendancy, or why everyone is picking it - which is because crit chance.

Think of archnem mobs. Top resist is 75% for a mob, and arch nem can get an additional 10%. So you'd need to bypass 85% resist to damage fully an archnem mob normally, but inquisitor totally bypasses that. THAT'S why they are so strong.



TL:DR: There is a reason why absolutely nobody goes inquisitor for non crit builds outside of RF

There's hexblast ignite which is non crit and popular on Inquisitor in ssf. Pious path is super strong, because even if you're not rf build, you can almost rely on it to sustain rf just for more spell damage buff.