state of slams (hit slow and hard) - it is sadly rubbish

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sidtherat wrote:

i do not see your 'great' slammer POB but last you posted your chars around here you still believed explody chest should be supported with Brutality Support so I do not know man.. maybe im just sceptical here

btw - personal insults are not classy

If you can't even be bothered to implement or even consider the feedback i gave you why the hell should i bother posting my POBs here? That would only make sense if you were actually willing to improve. Doing that with someone who only wants to vent makes no sense. And yes i was wrong about Brutality. Would you like me to drag up all the ridiculous nonsense you posted over the years? Even made threads for? Like "Veritania is impossible for melee" and "Fanatism is a broken ascendancy node?" Or "Crimson Dance is not for bleed builds?" Don't throw stones while sitting in a glass house.

YOU are complaining about personal insults? You used that very same "insult" one page ago towards me and dozens of times in other topics against all sorts of people you disagreed with. [Removed by Support]

TBH I expected sunder to be boss viable after the buffs, but sadly it was not. I juiced it's damage so much, that it should have been turning bosses into giblets, but it would only tickle them.

If I hit my 3x and 2x proc, it tickled a little more, but the majority was me waiting for fist of war proc, and then swinging my slow ass attack. Bosses took LONGER with this, than me just swapping it out for sweep, and swapping out fist of war.

Even with my 900 dps maul (pdps 600, fire dps 300) with 100% crit chance, which should have juiced the hell out of this slam, did very little to nothing. It was a huge step up from something like tidebreaker, but absolutely useless in the grand scheme of things. I had tested 3 gems that lower attack speed to increase or give more damage, they ended up making my single slams more potent, but reducing my effectiveness against bosses due to the slam being so slow to start up.

I couldn't even kill tier 16 bosses without worrying about whether or not they'd kill me first, due to the slow attack. It would take at least 15-30 slams, depending on the boss, each slam taking almost a second to actually swing. This should be the level of power that turns a boss to dust from one hit.

Standing still for a second in this game, is death.

I've always liked the slam style hard hits obliterate everything. But just like OP says, slam skills just don't compare to any other type of skill right now. Maybe for slam skills GGG can add additional inverse damage scaling based on attack speed and/or number of monsters present/hit?

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Baharoth15 wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

i do not see your 'great' slammer POB but last you posted your chars around here you still believed explody chest should be supported with Brutality Support so I do not know man.. maybe im just sceptical here

btw - personal insults are not classy

If you can't even be bothered to implement or even consider the feedback i gave you why the hell should i bother posting my POBs here? That would only make sense if you were actually willing to improve. Doing that with someone who only wants to vent makes no sense. And yes i was wrong about Brutality. Would you like me to drag up all the ridiculous nonsense you posted over the years? Even made threads for? Like "Veritania is impossible for melee" and "Fanatism is a broken ascendancy node?" Or "Crimson Dance is not for bleed builds?" Don't throw stones while sitting in a glass house.

YOU are complaining about personal insults? You used that very same "insult" one page ago towards me and dozens of times in other topics against all sorts of people you disagreed with. [Removed by Support]

Let me try.

First, Sid wisely didn't claim to be classy, he only tried to point out an activity that is not classy.

I thought Sid did a good job laying out the parameters of his experiment. Note I said experiment not build and skill that he's trying to improve on and can't figure out how. This thread should be viewed within that context. If you change those parameters then you change the experiment and should probably start up a new thread to discuss the new different experiment.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

You people honestly have a mistaken understanding of "slow". Slams differ from other melee skills in that you can't use Multistrike

???
Of course you can use multistrike ....

This discussion is simply only about the slow playstyle that does not use multistrike but you absolutely can.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Slams will usually have 2 or 3 APS if build properly.

What is the cooldown of fist of war ?
And the cooldown of shocwkave ?

there you go ...

unless you think that you are some kind of authority on what gem/playstyle provided by GGG should or should not be acceptable ?

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Would you like me to drag up all the ridiculous nonsense you posted over the years? Even made threads for? Like "Veritania is impossible for melee" and "Fanatism is a broken ascendancy node?" Or "Crimson Dance is not for bleed builds?" Don't throw stones while sitting in a glass house.

I'm sure you would find a way to take things out of their context (you seemingly haven't really understood the context of this thread to be honest, I'm not quite sure) like you just did a little bit here.



By the way, another element that might not have been mentioned in this thread that makes slow slamming feels like crap :

Sentinel Archnemesis mod (or other mobs that can block like in Heist)
If you build around fist of war to hit everytime it gets out of cooldown, a big rare that could take you 2 slams to kill could need 3 or 4 times more .... and with a slow slamming build ....
That's like over 10 seconds for one single rare, and that feels super crappy obviously.

If this rare got beefed up by Archnemesis making it resistant to your damage in addition to the Sentinel mod, you could be in for a 20+ seconds fight (kinda extreme case though, but still) ....

Well... Patch notes feel kinda sad.

Bumping this thread as it has a lot of excellent suggestions.

No fun allowed