"The addition of multiple sources of minion critical strike multiplier." - GGG Where?

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Problem: Investing in minion critical strikes has been possible in a very niche manner for some time now, but has never been a fully-supported build option. Additionally, the removal of a large amount of potential critical strike chance from power charges in the above change would render critical minion builds near-impossible without further changes.

Solution: Add more sources of minion critical strike investment. These changes are not intended to fully compensate for the lost critical strike chance from power charges, but instead to more than make up for the lost damage via the addition of multiple sources of minion critical strike multiplier.

Details:
1. The Spirit Offering Skill (40% crit multi from level 21 gem)
2. Fearsome Force (60% crit multi)
3. One mod on Convoking wand (38% crit multi)

Lets add it all up:
40% + 60% + 38% = 138% crit multi

Compare that to what we already had (and still have):
148% critical damage support
50% assassin mark
50% kingmaker

Realistically critical multi is at best half as effective as before, yet they offer us more investment, this leaves top builds with all investment with 75% of the power they had.

So conclusion:
GGG tries to grant us increased gear investment to improve minions, yet they took an entire meal and offer us a single side to make up for it.

Where we need critical multi:
Rings (at least up to T4 crit multi)
Shields (straight up to T1)

From my point of view this is negligence from GGG to not even mention why other minion specific items cannot roll the entire pool of mods. This is not acceptable in my honest opinion.

Where we need critical multi:
Bone Helmets (up to T3)
Rune Dagger (up to T3)

Chris said minion builds capped out at a 7 before and now they would be a 10 with investment. I'm wondering where all those 10/10 minion builds are with the "buffs"....

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

Chris said minion builds capped out at a 7 before and now they would be a 10 with investment. I'm wondering where all those 10/10 minion builds are with the "buffs"....

i think he misplaced a decimal in the estimate

they were a 7, and now theyre a 1.0

Are you even talking about the same thing you are quoting? Chris is talking about the crit chance reduction from the changes to power charges, while you mention crit multi. If anything, we have more crit multi now than before, but crit chance needs some investment.

Don't forget unique jewels. Up to 30% from Amanamu's Gaze and its req's. Then there's the new Grand Spectrum minion crit multi variant, with up to 90% if running 3 of them.

Crit multi for minions seems fine? *shrug*

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aggromagnet wrote:

Don't forget unique jewels. Up to 30% from Amanamu's Gaze and its req's. Then there's the new Grand Spectrum minion crit multi variant, with up to 90% if running 3 of them.

Crit multi for minions seems fine? *shrug*

Amanamu's Gaze is crit multi for damage over time... 3 grand spectrum to each build just to still see a knock in damage. It is still not where it was. Remember to use every item in the toolbelt for an entire archetype with max T1 rolls does not make sense.

The truth is this is a nerf. Chris said minion builds would be better with investment, but that is disingenuous. Either admit it is a nerf or make changes to match the intentions you had.

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InquisitorMarcus wrote:

Are you even talking about the same thing you are quoting? Chris is talking about the crit chance reduction from the changes to power charges, while you mention crit multi. If anything, we have more crit multi now than before, but crit chance needs some investment.

Let me quote the part of the manifesto I quoted:
...but instead to more than make up for the lost damage via the addition of multiple sources of minion critical strike multiplier.

So does this in fact "more than make up for the lost damage"? This is the point, the manifesto's wording is incorrect.

Yep, totally forgot Amanamu's was DoT multi and not crit multi...been too long since I actually looked at mine haha. But still, over 200% of new crit multi available for minions is pretty substantial. Do you have to make some new investments and adapt to some things to be able to maximize it? Sure, and there's nothing about the notes that indicates otherwise.

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DiabloImmoral wrote:

Chris said minion builds capped out at a 7 before and now they would be a 10 with investment. I'm wondering where all those 10/10 minion builds are with the "buffs"....

Take into account GGG's overall knowledge about the game mechanics and their interaction, multiply it with their knowledge about minions, and now you get minion builds capping out at 3 instead of original 7.

NEVER TRUST IN GGG'S BUFFS!

After wasting all my 6 portals due to essence monster one-shotting me with 1 hit every single time, I'm also on a verge of quitting. I have NEVER quitted a league before.