Loot sucks for solo/duo. Perception for lake of Kalandra and minions.

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JoeUtopia wrote:

SRS is spammed and they are dieing constantly. Great for other minion health.

Those of us that use permanent minions don’t get that benefit since we don’t want our minions to die. And are not using the spell, err minion, SRS.

And, sorry, no it is not the same as last league. Losing 2 gem levels in ascendency and changes on gems directly not only lowered dps (mine went down by 59%), but also greatly affected surviveability.

I lost an AG that was fully geared out to a freaking yellow mob - it died instantly along with my zombies and specters. Had that AG for a very long time - several leagues at least. Thought I may have had reflect and didn’t notice, but nope, it was a yellow with way too many buffs.

Summon skeletons are not permanent and you are constantly summoning them.

My comment was outside of the ascendancy change and +3 helm.

You still took the defense mastery otherwise you are relying on their regen to keep ag/spectres/zombies alive and that’s not an option once you hit maps pretty much.

Also your summon skeleton mages until you get the blessed rebirth cluster passive.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I made a build based off of Ghazzy's Chains of Command AW guide, scraping up what little currency I've made so far this league to set up a low-budget build. Gems, passives, gear and stats all according to what was mentioned in PoB. AG was using Belly of the Beast, Leer Cast, Inextricable Fate, Wasp Nest, and some random white kite shield I bought off a vendor since no shields were mentioned in PoB.

Build guide for reference, use low-budget PoB.

Build did just fine until I ran a yellow map I did alch&go on. First expedition encounter just straight up tears apart the AG. And because I've made next to no currency at all so far and spent what little I had to get my build up and running, I can't afford to replace the items lost so now the build is non-functional.

I want to make it clear that it wasn't me dying. My defenses are more than adequate enough for the tiers of maps I was running. I, apparently, can't say the same for the AG despite following the guide to the letter.

I don't know how anyone's making any serious bank this league on account of everything being both difficult to kill on top of diminished loot. And just because you're wealthy enough to make a build that can do better, it doesn't mean everyone else's experiences are the same.

1) Doppelgänger’s guise>>>> belly of the beast
2) this build looks int without a kingmaker weapon just saying. He says “or a weapon with high pdps” so I’d just go with kingmaker.
3) there is a shield recommended on the vault page victarios charity but again I’d go with the 2h kingmaker


My AG has survived the craziest logbook rolls/ standing in harvest mobs, delve standing ect… nothing moves it’s life so I dunno. I saw it’s health move one time in a kalandra tablet and it went right back to full almost immediately.

Also make sure you are all running AG with minion life, and not some silly damage gem support or something like that.

Edit: just saw this and this is huge. Bone offering is more preferable I’d say then flesh offering but that’s up to personal preference. Also this is an occultist ascendancy and not a necro so yea, minions will be more susceptible to dying.

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Chickenwink wrote:

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JoeUtopia wrote:

SRS is spammed and they are dieing constantly. Great for other minion health.

Those of us that use permanent minions don’t get that benefit since we don’t want our minions to die. And are not using the spell, err minion, SRS.

And, sorry, no it is not the same as last league. Losing 2 gem levels in ascendency and changes on gems directly not only lowered dps (mine went down by 59%), but also greatly affected surviveability.

I lost an AG that was fully geared out to a freaking yellow mob - it died instantly along with my zombies and specters. Had that AG for a very long time - several leagues at least. Thought I may have had reflect and didn’t notice, but nope, it was a yellow with way too many buffs.

Summon skeletons are not permanent and you are constantly summoning them.

My comment was outside of the ascendancy change and +3 helm.

You still took the defense mastery otherwise you are relying on their regen to keep ag/spectres/zombies alive and that’s not an option once you hit maps pretty much.

Also your summon skeleton mages until you get the blessed rebirth cluster passive.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I made a build based off of Ghazzy's Chains of Command AW guide, scraping up what little currency I've made so far this league to set up a low-budget build. Gems, passives, gear and stats all according to what was mentioned in PoB. AG was using Belly of the Beast, Leer Cast, Inextricable Fate, Wasp Nest, and some random white kite shield I bought off a vendor since no shields were mentioned in PoB.

Build guide for reference, use low-budget PoB.

Build did just fine until I ran a yellow map I did alch&go on. First expedition encounter just straight up tears apart the AG. And because I've made next to no currency at all so far and spent what little I had to get my build up and running, I can't afford to replace the items lost so now the build is non-functional.

I want to make it clear that it wasn't me dying. My defenses are more than adequate enough for the tiers of maps I was running. I, apparently, can't say the same for the AG despite following the guide to the letter.

I don't know how anyone's making any serious bank this league on account of everything being both difficult to kill on top of diminished loot. And just because you're wealthy enough to make a build that can do better, it doesn't mean everyone else's experiences are the same.

1) Doppelgänger’s guise>>>> belly of the beast
2) this build looks int without a kingmaker weapon just saying. He says “or a weapon with high pdps” so I’d just go with kingmaker.
3) there is a shield recommended on the vault page victarios charity but again I’d go with the 2h kingmaker


My AG has survived the craziest logbook rolls/ standing in harvest mobs, delve standing ect… nothing moves it’s life so I dunno. I saw it’s health move one time in a kalandra tablet and it went right back to full almost immediately.

Also make sure you are all running AG with minion life, and not some silly damage gem support or something like that.

1.) Doppelganger's guise is also a lot more expensive than Belly of the Beast by comparison. Again, I'll remind you that this is a low-budget version of the build, as in my ass is too poor to afford anything better, and the PoB doesn't recommend that item for that level of budget.

2.) Again, cost comes into play here. Again, low-budget version of the PoB. And again, I'm struggling to afford a higher budget due to poor loot. The two items you suggested have a combined value of 85c+. I don't have that.

3.) Yeah, okay, I must've missed that one. That's always been an affordable shield.

I feel like you're failing to understand that not everyone is as rich, or as lucky to get rich quick, as yourself. I entered white maps with a handful of chaos and scraped up a low budget setup for my build. Since I've been mapping, I've gotten next to nothing worth anything of value.

Good for you that your AG is immortal. You're rich enough to afford that tankiness. I am not and I have to make due with a low-budget build, hence why I told you to look at the low-budget PoB of the build guide. I literally can't afford Ghazzy's medium budget on his other PoB link. I'm barely making any currency this league, and thanks to all of the nerfs in 3.19 on top of archnemesis, my access to multiple leagues which could help are just not possible to run due to difficulty versus budget.

And again, I followed the PoB to the letter, that means AG had Minion Life as a support. It still died. On a low level yellow map. That I only went alch&go on strictly for the purpose of map completion.

A doppelgänger is like 20-30c. How poor are you?

If the build has this much issues just in yellow alone then maybe it’s a crap build? I dunno about occultist though when it comes to a minion build. Seems dangerous to me. But again I don’t know that build too well.

Also I don’t think I even ran AG until close to the end of red maps. It def provides damage as well as survival. But I’m not gonna half ass an AG together for it to get wasted so… tough luck I guess??

Currency comes if you know how to get it. You can’t chock up someone who makes currency to them “just being lucky”. What you think I enter a map and get showered in divines??

I’m not empyrian, And I’m doing fine this league currency wise. So tough luck x2??

Also you just admitted to being in yellow maps so, what are you expecting currency wise?

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Chickenwink wrote:

A doppelgänger is like 20-30c. How poor are you?

If the build has this much issues just in yellow alone then maybe it’s a crap build? I dunno about occultist though when it comes to a minion build. Seems dangerous to me. But again I don’t know that build too well.

Also I don’t think I even ran AG until close to the end of red maps. It def provides damage as well as survival. But I’m not gonna half ass an AG together for it to get wasted so… tough luck I guess??

Currency comes if you know how to get it. You can’t chock up someone who makes currency to them “just being lucky”. What you think I enter a map and get showered in divines??

I’m not empyrian, And I’m doing fine this league currency wise. So tough luck x2??

Also you just admitted to being in yellow maps so, what are you expecting currency wise?

Doppelgänger Guise Sadist Garb 6 linked is currently 4 Divines...

Unless you are expecting him to have 1500 fusings?

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Chickenwink wrote:

A doppelgänger is like 20-30c. How poor are you?

If the build has this much issues just in yellow alone then maybe it’s a crap build? I dunno about occultist though when it comes to a minion build. Seems dangerous to me. But again I don’t know that build too well.

Also I don’t think I even ran AG until close to the end of red maps. It def provides damage as well as survival. But I’m not gonna half ass an AG together for it to get wasted so… tough luck I guess??

Currency comes if you know how to get it. You can’t chock up someone who makes currency to them “just being lucky”. What you think I enter a map and get showered in divines??

I’m not empyrian, And I’m doing fine this league currency wise. So tough luck x2??

Also you just admitted to being in yellow maps so, what are you expecting currency wise?

I'm "I scraped up mapping gear with a handful of chaos" poor, like I said earlier. I didn't even get lucky enough to find 20c in all the time I spent running white maps. The fact you ended your post asking what I expected for currency in yellows, you should know how terrible white is by comparison.

It's not the build that has issues in yellow maps. Ghazzy supposedly ran this same build as a starter this league. I don't know, I don't watch streamers, but his subs on /global 6666 say as much. The issue here is budget. A low budget probably could've handled yellow maps just fine in 3.18, but probably not anymore since the nerfs.

I know how to get currency. Heists, Expeditions, Essences, Blights, generally anything that doesn't rely on killing monsters for their loot. Unfortunately, I can't run most of these encounters, because they either have timers and my build is too slow for them, or the AN-buffed enemies are so powerful that they can kill my AG, like what I said happened.

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Shakeyvick wrote:

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Chickenwink wrote:

A doppelgänger is like 20-30c. How poor are you?

If the build has this much issues just in yellow alone then maybe it’s a crap build? I dunno about occultist though when it comes to a minion build. Seems dangerous to me. But again I don’t know that build too well.

Also I don’t think I even ran AG until close to the end of red maps. It def provides damage as well as survival. But I’m not gonna half ass an AG together for it to get wasted so… tough luck I guess??

Currency comes if you know how to get it. You can’t chock up someone who makes currency to them “just being lucky”. What you think I enter a map and get showered in divines??

I’m not empyrian, And I’m doing fine this league currency wise. So tough luck x2??

Also you just admitted to being in yellow maps so, what are you expecting currency wise?

Doppelgänger Guise Sadist Garb 6 linked is currently 4 Divines...

Unless you are expecting him to have 1500 fusings?

To be fair, you don't use a 6l on an AG. The purpose of that armor is to give AG the Sane buff and exploit the physical and chaos damage reduction.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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Shakeyvick wrote:

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Chickenwink wrote:

A doppelgänger is like 20-30c. How poor are you?

If the build has this much issues just in yellow alone then maybe it’s a crap build? I dunno about occultist though when it comes to a minion build. Seems dangerous to me. But again I don’t know that build too well.

Also I don’t think I even ran AG until close to the end of red maps. It def provides damage as well as survival. But I’m not gonna half ass an AG together for it to get wasted so… tough luck I guess??

Currency comes if you know how to get it. You can’t chock up someone who makes currency to them “just being lucky”. What you think I enter a map and get showered in divines??

I’m not empyrian, And I’m doing fine this league currency wise. So tough luck x2??

Also you just admitted to being in yellow maps so, what are you expecting currency wise?

Doppelgänger Guise Sadist Garb 6 linked is currently 4 Divines...

Unless you are expecting him to have 1500 fusings?

To be fair, you don't use a 6l on an AG. The purpose of that armor is to give AG the Sane buff and exploit the physical and chaos damage reduction.

Ah I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification.

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Shakeyvick wrote:

Doppelgänger Guise Sadist Garb 6 linked is currently 4 Divines...

Unless you are expecting him to have 1500 fusings?

Much kek. Glad you caught your mistake.



Yea pizza it might just be occultist you lose a lot of minion defense not being necro. Also bone offering

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Miklander wrote:

OK i think i made my character public now (did not even know it was private) the current setup is just latest version. Been testing it a while in this league (used lots of regrets to give minions more and less survivability nodes and seemed to have little to 0 difference so this is the current one.

Used to have Decay mastery node but that was not enough.

Your build is almost a identical to ghazzy's absolution so i'll just assume you are running that one.

Keeping this about your AG:

You are missing a minion defense mastery node (I would get the 5% life recovered on minion death but the guide has convocation which I think is trash but personal preference). If you go with the convocation one then you need to get the convocation gem slotted somewhere.

You have meat shield as a support gem. So your spectres/AG are taunting attacks. So your AG needs defense.
1. Kingmaker (defense)
2. Doppelgangers guise (massive defense)
3. Southbound (defense)

Look up ghazzy's gear guide for AG for the boots/helm.

Hope this helps