Max number of aura's reasonably possible

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sweetaction wrote:

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Milchut wrote:

Would you know how the Reduce reservation (from passives or items) works with auras that reserve a flat percentage of your total?

Missed this sorry. Before i explain, i will precise with the request that someone check my math for me.

From the wiki

Theoretical Maximum Reduction

If you get all of the Reduced Mana Reservation passives and use a level 20 Reduced Mana.
Purity 40% (original cost)
4 x Reduced Mana Reservation -20% (of 40%) is 32%
Reduced Mana (level 20) -29% (of 32%) is 22.72%
Final Cost 22.72% (%43.2 reduction)

I would plan on running: (assuming maxed level)
Anger, Wrath, Clarity, Grace, Discipline(needed to stack with eldrich battery)

3/4 of these (40% auaras):
Purity (must have for ele resist)
Determination (must have for armor)
Haste (I would probably run this as the third)
Vitality (I would probably let someone else in the group get this if it is needed/ wanted but i might depending on situation)

Hatred is the only aura i wouldn't bother with thinking someone else will probably get it.

Math for % aura's i would be running:

I'll get half of the Reduced Mana Reservation passives and use a level 20 Reduced Mana.
Purity 40% (original cost)
2 x Reduced Mana Reservation -10% (of 40%) is 36%
Reduced Mana (level 20) -29% (of 36%) is 25.56%
Alpha's Howl -8% (of 25.56%) is 23.52%
Final Cost 23.52% (% reduction = 41.20%)

so 3x 40% auras leaves me at 70.56% reserved. This also means my alhpa's howl has all three 30% aura's and the reduced mana gem linked (4 linked)

now if each of the flat cost aura's are connected to a reduced mana gem it looks like this:

Math for Flat aura's I would be running

Anger 164 mana
Wrath 164 mana
Clarity 440 mana
Grace 213 mana
Discipline 215 mana
total: 1196 mana

Flat aura's 1196 mana (original cost)
2 x Reduced Mana Reservation -10% (of 1196) is 1077
Reduced Mana (level 20) -29% (of 1077) is 765
Final Cost 765 mana

Now i know i need 765 mana reserved and i need 150 pool to use for totems and curses. that means i need roughly 900 mana to equal 29.44% of my max mana. Which means my max mana needs to be 2888 mana!

How do i get the mana is the new question.

so lets discuss Eldridge battery with discipline. As i would start with the % aura's before disc after i put disc on i gain mana to use for the remaining spells. so in reality the 2888 mana is less because i have a lower starting point.

Eldridge + Disc = awesome

ES
Discipline aura (level 20) 212 ES flat (Original gain)
%ES from ES passive 104% ES
%ES from Int in passive 74.4% ES
Total % ES from passive 178.4% ES is 590 Energy Shield gained
passive increased mana +50% mana (of 590) is 885.312 mana


So popping Discipline gives you 885 mana (not including % from gear) Lets also remember that you can get flat ES, mana and int from gear.
so if we really only needed 900 mana, disc alone gives this to us. so we now know that if we have enough mana to cast disc (215 mana +15 = 230ish mana) we can cast all our auras.

this now asks the question can we get a 4th 40% aura. the 4th aura woud not have alphas howl so the math there would look like this:

Spoiler

Purity 40% (original cost)
2 x Reduced Mana Reservation -10% (of 40%) is 36%
Reduced Mana (level 20) -29% (of 36%) is 25.56%
Final Cost 25.56%

so i had 70.56% reserved now i add 25.56% = 96.12% reserved. So i need my remaining 3.88% mana to = 230 mana, so i can cast all my flat mana cost aura's and still have some change.

I think this means i would need like 6k mana, so i don't think it is possible to do all 4 but it is clearly easily possible to do 3 + all the flat aura's.

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guidoo wrote:

I run grace, clarity, discipline, haste and determination. Depending on the map I'm running I swap determination for either purity or vitality.

I run both 40% auras and discipline on mana, and grace + clarity with a blood magic support gem.

I will probably buy a prism guardian soon though.

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chadashcroft22 wrote:

I run 8 (every one expect grace+determination) auras and could easily do 9 if I had more hp on my gear. I am a low-life shock summoner marauder. I only took one group of reduced mana res. talent points to the left side of tree because it was huge waste of points getting to bottom node. Now to do this setup easy you have to have a

You also have to realize you will be running low hp so you have to get chaos resist on every piece of gear possible because that is your worst enemy. And you also have to get every es talent point possible. Here is a link to my build and I'm still redoing more skill points into es.

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgEAAuMHYwj0DH0QfxCXES0TWxZvGYUabCSLJKolJycLKPoqmCycNuk8LT0PQYdDY0QERnFI50myTblN2FXGVdZXK1j1WpFdSWTnZp5nm2e9aqxr23FNc1N343kDfIN8u30YffWBb4LHhWCIQIt6jHaOvo9GkDOTJ5Ugms-boZ2uncSePJ97pqynCKcrqH2qxK4-tAy3Mbc-uJPAVMT2xp7GrsbYzLzN-s9l0NDT-9kL2t3jauvu7Irub_fB99f6gPrS-wn-SQ==