Indigon helm and Brand recall

hey i wanted to ask please about the interaction between Indigon helm and the brand recall skill.

more specific about the mana cost increase and spent recently.
for example

indigon has line that says :(50–60)% increased Cost of Skills for each 200 total Mana Spent Recently.

and brand recall now has Spends 20% of Brand's Cost . would that count toward the Indigon counter and therefor prevent it from reseting or its seperate lose mana and i could still reset indigon counter by using recall?

thanks !

Wording is quite important in PoE, so let's have a look at the two items in question.

Indigon:
"(20-25)% increased Spell Damage for each 200 total Mana you have Spent Recently, up to 2000%" (emphasis mine)

Brand Recall:
"Spends 20% of Brand's Cost" (emphasis mine)

Since they both work with Spending (and not Losing or Sacrificing), this means that the Brand Recall cost prevents the Indigon counter resetting.

This is also supported by a couple of posts I have found:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/flumfg/what_playing_archmage_indigon_is_really_about/
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2819260

Hope this helps :)

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PurpleChakra wrote:

Wording is quite important in PoE, so let's have a look at the two items in question.

Indigon:
"(20-25)% increased Spell Damage for each 200 total Mana you have Spent Recently, up to 2000%" (emphasis mine)

Brand Recall:
"Spends 20% of Brand's Cost" (emphasis mine)

Since they both work with Spending (and not Losing or Sacrificing), this means that the Brand Recall cost prevents the Indigon counter resetting.

This is also supported by a couple of posts I have found:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/flumfg/what_playing_archmage_indigon_is_really_about/
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2819260

Hope this helps :)

very useful! thank you ! so its basically impossible to actually use and sustain indigon with brands in mapping anymore because of the extra 20% mana cost of the brand . kinda sad.

While I haven't ever played brands, the two posts I linked do talk about the mana upkeep alongside brand recall. It seems doable though a little tricky.

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PurpleChakra wrote:

While I haven't ever played brands, the two posts I linked do talk about the mana upkeep alongside brand recall. It seems doable though a little tricky.

yes but the video you linked is before GGG decided to kill it.

basically what he show is that for training he cast 2 brands and then use the brand recall to get away from adding mana cost through indigon.. however since then GGG added 20% of the brand mana cost to the brand recall. so if you use brand recall to move the brands during mapping it still increase their cost and therefor disable archmage. it should still work perfectly fine in bossing tho.. so its good boss killer but i guess ill try to build archmage without it and try to look ways to increase mana cost..

do you maybe have tips / items/mods/crafts / alternate quality and such to increase mana cost? ty

My bad, I didn't realise they nerfed brand recall like that. In terms of increasing mana cost, it's probably better to invest in cast speed if you're still planning on using Indigon. If not, Archmage support of course, and then you could consider items like Fevered Mind and maybe Zerphi's Last Breath? Not really an expert on mana-based builds.

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PurpleChakra wrote:

My bad, I didn't realise they nerfed brand recall like that. In terms of increasing mana cost, it's probably better to invest in cast speed if you're still planning on using Indigon. If not, Archmage support of course, and then you could consider items like Fevered Mind and maybe Zerphi's Last Breath? Not really an expert on mana-based builds.

xD thanks ! yah im planing to give up indigon and use normal archmage but need to find ways to increase cost thanks !