Setup needed to keep up endurance charges is too much.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Warlords Mark

Warlord's Mark didn't work out that well for me since you only have a chance to get a charge. Result: I have 2s on my charges left, enemy is almost dead, I decide to not cast EC but kill my enemy. Yeah, guess what, I don't get the charge and lose all charges I already had. Needs to be more reliable when playing melee imho.

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Lord_of_Error wrote:

Warlord's Mark didn't work out that well for me since you only have a chance to get a charge. Result: I have 2s on my charges left, enemy is almost dead, I decide to not cast EC but kill my enemy. Yeah, guess what, I don't get the charge and lose all charges I already had. Needs to be more reliable when playing melee imho.

Warlords mark is in my opinion worse than enduring cry for maintaining charges, its chance based, and it gives you the charges after you kill the mob (not before it, for when you need it most)

Unless you hae massively specced into buff/charge duration, enduring cry is actually more practical for what the skill is designed to do

I tried to combine EC and Warlord's Mark. Started fights with EC, then I cursed the mob pack with WM and whirled into them with Cyclone. To make things worse I also tried to use Frenzy Charges and hadn't enough Chaos resist to safely use Blood Rage, i.e. I had to occasionally perform a Frenzy swing. Died in Merciless Docks to a pack of Voidbearers when preparing for maps, they melted me when I stopped whirling to keep up my charges. ;(

Considering mine at mid lvl has 48% chance to gain endurance charges, it works out well the vast majority of the time.

I do keep EC on hotbar *just in case*, but VERY rarely have to use it. Its quite nice.

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WhiteBoy wrote:

There may not be a whole lot of interesting ways to get them, but they definitely don't need to be easier to get or maintain (Endurance Charges are already the easiest, by far).

Yup, but endurance charges are also defensive, instead of offensive like the other two. If you don't have extra offense, well who cares, you kill a bit slower. If you don't have those extra defenses you die.

They should probably have different rules. That or get rid of endurance charges and change them to another offensive type charge based on strength.


As a defense mechanism I quite like the idea of them working in reverse. When you yell you get a whole bunch then as you take damage they are knocked off. They could bump up the amount you get from EC, and then ad an excessively long timer making it a skill you want to actually be concerned about wasting. Something this game doesn't really have any of.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Considering mine at mid lvl has 48% chance to gain endurance charges, it works out well the vast majority of the time.

I do keep EC on hotbar *just in case*, but VERY rarely have to use it. Its quite nice.

Well, I had no quality Warlord's Mark. :P
Too many builds to try to get quality gems for each of them.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Considering mine at mid lvl has 48% chance to gain endurance charges, it works out well the vast majority of the time.

I do keep EC on hotbar *just in case*, but VERY rarely have to use it. Its quite nice.

I mostly keep the 3 ECs on my hotbar to be able to quickly get back my charges if they dissipate between a fight, or against bosses who don't have enough mobs around them to get up to 9 fast enough from WM.