Leo Slamming 2 Fractured Ghastly Eye Jewels in the same instance gives the same mod to both jewels

Issue has happened on three occasions that I'm aware of. In all 3 occasions;
1). I joined another player's Mastermind's Lair,
2). Traded them two different fractured Ghastly Eye Jewels,
3). They used the T4 Leo bench
4). They traded the jewels back to me

The first instance that this happened, both jewels hit 3% cast speed.
In the second instance, I can't recall what they hit, but it was the same mod again.
In the third instance, both jewels hit +2 block spell damage if you were hit recently.

Examples attached

Jewel 1 Before


Jewel 1 After


Jewel 2 Before


Jewel 2 After


Unfortunately I don't have screenshots of the other instances, but it seems very improbable that I've had this happen on multiple occasions.

In this instance, both jewels had the same fractured mod (+36 maximum life). I'm not sure about the other times.
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likely just RNG doing its thing.
you got it from heist which duplicate items?

Probably the item has same seed and every single computer software in fact use pseudo-random . Probably their algorithm have some problem when deal with these items
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No, the original jewels that I used I purchased from two separate players. Only in this instance did they both have the 36 life fracture. In other instance they had different fractures, but they were fractured in every time I tried this and it broke.

Seems VERY unlikely for it to be RNG. I hit the same mod on two jewels in 3 different sets.
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No, the original jewels that I used I purchased from two separate players. Only in this instance did they both have the 36 life fracture. In other instance they had different fractures, but they were fractured in every time I tried this and it broke.

Seems VERY unlikely for it to be RNG. I hit the same mod twice on 3 different sets of two attempts.


If you bought it from trade , you never able to know the origin of the item.
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got many times two same cards in a row from stacked decks - Seems VERY unlikely for it to be RNG

got many times two consecutive same unique item drops - Seems VERY unlikely for it to be RNG

got a mirror from some random delve chest - Seems EXTREMELY unlikely for it to be RNG

etc

this is what rng does. many players playing many hours will result in many unlikely outcomes. Some of the players will then come to forums write about them

ofc, we cant be sure everything is alright, but still, RNG remains the most likely answer
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That's true. I didn't buy any jewels from the same player, but they could have still been the same even before that.

In my current set both were fractured with +36 life.

In my first set (the one I hit cast speed) one was a max life jewel, and the other one was a physical damage jewel. In this instance, they couldn't have been a duplicated drop.
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Ludvator wrote:
got many times two same cards in a row from stacked decks - Seems VERY unlikely for it to be RNG

got many times two consecutive same unique item drops - Seems VERY unlikely for it to be RNG

got a mirror from some random delve chest - Seems EXTREMELY unlikely for it to be RNG

etc

this is what rng does. many players playing many hours will result in many unlikely outcomes. Some of the players will then come to forums write about them

ofc, we cant be sure everything is alright, but still, RNG remains the most likely answer



dude.....slamming mod has difference chance than stacked deck or T6 unique drop


please play with craftofexile.com to prove that specific mod has a probability of over 1/2 (or even over 1/3) first
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neohongkong wrote:
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Ludvator wrote:
got many times two same cards in a row from stacked decks - Seems VERY unlikely for it to be RNG

got many times two consecutive same unique item drops - Seems VERY unlikely for it to be RNG

got a mirror from some random delve chest - Seems EXTREMELY unlikely for it to be RNG

etc

this is what rng does. many players playing many hours will result in many unlikely outcomes. Some of the players will then come to forums write about them

ofc, we cant be sure everything is alright, but still, RNG remains the most likely answer



dude.....slamming mod has difference chance than stacked deck or T6 unique drop


please play with craftofexile.com to prove that specific mod has a probability of over 1/2 (or even over 1/3) first


wut??

perhaps first try your best to understand what I was saying

unlikely things just happen, that is RNG. If they did not, we would never be able to drop mirror or exalts..
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Ludvator wrote:
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neohongkong wrote:
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Ludvator wrote:
got many times two same cards in a row from stacked decks - Seems VERY unlikely for it to be RNG

got many times two consecutive same unique item drops - Seems VERY unlikely for it to be RNG

got a mirror from some random delve chest - Seems EXTREMELY unlikely for it to be RNG

etc

this is what rng does. many players playing many hours will result in many unlikely outcomes. Some of the players will then come to forums write about them

ofc, we cant be sure everything is alright, but still, RNG remains the most likely answer



dude.....slamming mod has difference chance than stacked deck or T6 unique drop


please play with craftofexile.com to prove that specific mod has a probability of over 1/2 (or even over 1/3) first


wut??

perhaps first try your best to understand what I was saying

unlikely things just happen, that is RNG. If they did not, we would never be able to drop mirror or exalts..


Obviously RNG exists in this game, can't argue that. But in my examples there is a pattern of behavior that was the same on three separate, disconnected occasions. According to Craft of Exile:

Instance 1 - Cast speed
Cast speed is a 750 weighting (2.976%). So to hit it on two different jewels one directly after the other is a 0.09% chance. Sure, RNG could explain that.

Instance 2 - Unknown mod
For this, we we will assume a mod with the highest weighting. Something like Minions have #% chance to Hinder Enemies on Hit with Spells which has a 1200 weighting. this would be a 5% chance. So to hit it on two different jewels one after another is a 0.23% chance. Again, by itself, RNG can explain that.

Instance 3 - Spell Block
Spell block is a 250 weighting (1%). So to hit it on two different jewels one directly after the other is a 0.01% chance. RNG could do this, yes it's possible, one in 10,000.


If we multiply these all these separate events together, then RNG is very VERY unlikely to be the reason.

The math is too complicated for me at this point because you would have to factor in that any set of mods in any of the three instances could have been selected. BUT that doesn't change the fact that it's improbable to have this happened 3 times. If you can calculate it out and show that it's a possibility, go for it - I just don't see how it could be, especially if there's an identifiable pattern of behavior with Leo Slams.

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