About that "good" Atlas rework

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teodar1987 wrote:

Some watchstones were upwards of 10 ex. Most good t1s for popular strategies were 5ex plus. The 4 ritual altars one still gives me nightmares, shouldn't have tried to roll that one...

As of now 1ex is 30 orbs of unmaking and unless you are switching on the left/right axis you simply aren't using more than 60 points.

Do the math.

1ex is 100+ unmaking orbs in league(where the majority play)

also unmaking orbs are extremely common, I have used probably 400 or so this league, have another 245 in stash and haven't even converted other orbs into unmaking

Considering the fact that you can either buy Orbs of Unmaking for cheap in bulk, or even convert your spare trash currency into them (no kidding, you can get them with 43008 Wisdom scrolls), I don't think this particular point is too big issue, unless you're fond of reseting every day.

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dorkdude2 wrote:

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teodar1987 wrote:

Some watchstones were upwards of 10 ex. Most good t1s for popular strategies were 5ex plus. The 4 ritual altars one still gives me nightmares, shouldn't have tried to roll that one...

As of now 1ex is 30 orbs of unmaking and unless you are switching on the left/right axis you simply aren't using more than 60 points.

Do the math.

1ex is 100+ unmaking orbs in league(where the majority play)

also unmaking orbs are extremely common, I have used probably 400 or so this league, have another 245 in stash and haven't even converted other orbs into unmaking

Yes, my point was that even in the worst case scenario, respeccing atlas is affordable. We are on the same page.

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teodar1987 wrote:

Some watchstones were upwards of 10 ex. Most good t1s for popular strategies were 5ex plus. The 4 ritual altars one still gives me nightmares, shouldn't have tried to roll that one...

As of now 1ex is 30 orbs of unmaking and unless you are switching on the left/right axis you simply aren't using more than 60 points.

Do the math.

My point is you can always roll/buy watchstones and then simply swap them whenever you want without a second thought.

I don't really care about their price, because the only one watchstone that i bought it was a 4 ritual altars, and it's like, whatever, got half of its price back in first five maps. You have to have some endgame goals after all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'd suggest adding some paths that wrap around from left to right.

That's really my only issue.

Minor respecs are easy, but it feels too much like you have to go right or left.

to date i think i have eaten 200-400 orbs of unmaking to try different things

to fully spec into ONE league mechanic you maybe need to spend 20-40 points.

assuming 40 points, that 80 regrets from kirac.

currently on archnemesis, thats maybe 1-2 regrets to a chaos. assuming 1.5, thats roughly 54 chaos.

if youre using the old atlas passives as the benchmark, a major region would have 6 passsives.

orbs of unmaking (based on scourge poeninja data) was 7c each. 7*6 is 35c. if we want to also include other regions that have the same mechanic for another 4 passives, that's 7*4 = 28c. 28+35 = 53 chaos. EDIT is 63 chaos omfg my maths.

53 chaos vs 54 chaos. is it that different?

also i m using scourge data, based off the top of my head, back when maven was introduced, those orbs of unmaking were 12-15 c each.

other considerations. "back then" orbs of unmaking were VERY rare and (IIRC) only drop from maven invites. if you were SSF, i would argue that respeccing NOW is actually waaaaay easier than before.

you can easily buy an orb from kirac. and for what? 2 regrets? how many times do you actually eat regrets to respec your character?

the current iteration of orb of unmaking is PERFECT, it uses a currency that thematically fits, and is a perfect currency sink. there were no real use for regrets and i usually accumulated a large amount every league, but now regrets have more value. also, unlike the previous orbs of unmaking, you don't need to grind or trade other players for it. you have an npc vendor actively selling you HOWEVER many you need, WHENEVER you want it. there is zero difficulty obtaining these orbs compared to last time.

so yeah, i would say any criticism on the atlas being harder to respec if based on currency/time investment, i would say is really weak.

also i would point out, we now have access to ALL the league mechanics passive buffs rather than how it used to be 60% in one region and another 40% in another.

i do have criticism for the atlas tree, but talking about eating orbs is not one of em.

but yeah, i WOULD like ggg to give us a way to save trees for easy respeccing.

^7*6=35....lol. Also, 28+35 = 53...wow.

For OP, you are completely ignoring the fact that you needed to ROLL your watchstones which in a lot of cases cost a TON. Now, its just a couple passive points in the tree.

So it's not just respeccing the region tree, but the region tree + reroll'd watchstone cost from previous leagues if you are comparing to the current league.

Way way way way cheaper this league than anything in watchstone land.

Even if you had 2 sets of watchstones for each region, with the ability to completely respec and run a different content in an individual area, you are looking at an up front cost of easily 10ex for decent watchstones plus respeccing the passives. 10ex this league buys you more than 10 FULL resets of the ENTIRE tree.

How in your right mind can you say that previous leagues were better/cheaper for the atlas?

Let's also not forget the fact that if you wanted to run specific content a lot, you needed maps only in that region. Now you can use ANY map and basically never run out

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jsuslak313 wrote:

^7*6=35....lol. Also, 28+35 = 53...wow.

this wai i cant be a flipper.

lol

but yeah we havent factored in watchstones and sextants. we can now even buy/sell individual sextant rolls. it doesnt need to be rolled/sold on any "region specific" watchstone either.

i once tried crafting a watchstone. rolled a harbinger drops valuable shard. omfg! YES! but not on the harbinger region. f-ing facepalm.

from maven to this league i think i may have spent 200-500 chaos buying watchstones to roll.

another 20-30k worth of alts rolling em and even then i only had 1-2 regions covered with most of what i wanted.

too bad all that got thanos snapped away with not even a chaos as a souvenir.

oh and speaking of hassle, anyone remember how its like keeping different sets of watchstones for each region for different league mechanics?

^your last line is precisely my point and something I think OP completely forgot about. It was NEVER as simple as respeccing 6 passive points to run different content...