Elder/Shaper Scarabs -> Not working or stealth infinity nerf?

Running dozens of maps yields absolutely zero items, even with multiple shaper/elder scarabs stacked. Checked with Alt/No Loot Filter just in case I was crazy.

Is 270% More Shaper Items multiplying a drop rate of 0? Haha... seems like it.

Running standard maps, with one+ scarabs and filling the rest with fragments for IIQ. Nothing unusual. Shouldn't be subject to the issues others are having with Kirac/Guardian maps etc.

I think you can not have new influence + shaper or elder at the same time.

That's an interesting idea... will test.

Ok I've done another maybe 30-40 maps on solid, but not extreme, juice levels, with all levels of shaper scarab and just nothing... this is pretty rough.

Can you send a screenshot of what you use on your map device?

I think they did nerf natural influence drops in 3.17, and I think only the shaper / elder mobs themselves can drop the shaper / elder items (Think it has always been like this) so this makes it really hard to farm for shaper / elder items from maps because some shaper / elder influence types barely add shaper / elder mobs to the map.
If you are fighting the guardians or bosses with the atlas passives though it is much easier, shaper drops a lot and you can get like up to 95% chance to drop a shaper / elder item from guardians with the passives on top of the atlas tree.

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KIchigo wrote:

Can you send a screenshot of what you use on your map device?

Hey Kichigo, I can certainly post a screenshot but given the slight variability I don't think it'll help over just listing items used, unless you're thinking I might be mistaken about what I'm putting in there :-):

- Just 4x slots in map device: I don't have the 5x/Legion unlock.

- 1x Map, +20% base via chisels, minimum 70% IIQ after alch, often 90+% IIQ (via corruption "hidden" result or just raw affixes).
- 2x basic Atziri fragments for +10% IIQ total.
- 1x Shaper/Elder scarabs, tier 1-3 (all but "winged").

--> I originally said "270%" additional chance because I didn't realize multiple of the same scarab weren't stacking until I went back into the game... had just tried it once with three Gilded when I posted and didn't see the other scarabs were unused in the map device. So ignore that bit.


After that, I'm just running maps from there through the boss and until monsters are <50 left.

Thanks for your help.

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Rajin wrote:

I think they did nerf natural influence drops in 3.17, and I think only the shaper / elder mobs themselves can drop the shaper / elder items (Think it has always been like this) so this makes it really hard to farm for shaper / elder items from maps because some shaper / elder influence types barely add shaper / elder mobs to the map.
If you are fighting the guardians or bosses with the atlas passives though it is much easier, shaper drops a lot and you can get like up to 95% chance to drop a shaper / elder item from guardians with the passives on top of the atlas tree.

Ah, ok. Good info. Thank you.

I just thought it was a pity that such cheap scarabs were underutilized until I realized they might have been nerfed to death.

Ya same thing. Noticed very low drop rate of shaper items when using rusted scarabs. Even with Alva in juiced maps I got none. I guess they severely nerfed influenced items drop rates or it’s a bug

All things you have to do for challenges are nerfed. Its every league the same.

This League you have to make exalted shard vendor trade.