[Breach] Esh and the hidden massively overtuned

I had a RF chieftain tank with 84 lightning res and 8k hp. Ailment/shock immunity and esh oneshots me through all that defence regardless.


Either he is bugged, or defence straight up does not work at all.

When i had my aurastacker, i had the same problem. Esh would instantly kill me through 90 lightning res and full ailment immunity at 8k es.
He should deal a maximum of 1.182 per hit of his shock nova, but this doesn't seem to be the case.



Overall the hidden invitation is completely out of whack, boring, stupid and frustrating in general. There is no challenge or skill to it, you either oneshot all of them when they spawn or esh will instagib you regardless of your defences. If esh doesn't kill you, tul will because his barrage covers the entire arena and shotguns.

Please tune down esh's shock nova aoe and damage, aswell as lowering tuls barrage aoe and projectile shotgunning.

Currently most of these maven fights are not mechanical, they are just annoying dps checks and getting lucky about spawn order

When a boss telegraphs an attack, you're supposed to get out of the way.

Also, that looks to me like the stats for the shock nova cast by lvl 68 breachstone Esh, not the one cast by The Hidden version of Esh. You could easily add an extra zero to how hard you think the Hidden versions should hit, if you're comparing them to the tier zero versions. It also wouldn't surprise me if this version of Uber Esh even had some lightning penetration built in.

More to the point: The Hidden is an extremely difficult endgame fight, FAR more challenging than Maven herself on many builds. The Uncharted Realm fights are listed in order of difficulty; it's explicitly intended to be more challenging than the Shaper/Elder Guardians or Synth bosses. Don't expect to tank or trivialize any part of this fight on a character that isn't obscenely well-geared.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

When a boss telegraphs an attack, you're supposed to get out of the way.

Also, that looks to me like the stats for the shock nova cast by lvl 68 breachstone Esh, not the one cast by The Hidden version of Esh. You could easily add an extra zero to how hard you think the Hidden versions should hit, if you're comparing them to the tier zero versions. It also wouldn't surprise me if this version of Uber Esh even had some lightning penetration built in.

More to the point: The Hidden is an extremely difficult endgame fight, FAR more challenging than Maven herself on many builds. The Uncharted Realm fights are listed in order of difficulty; it's explicitly intended to be more challenging than the Shaper/Elder Guardians or Synth bosses. Don't expect to tank or trivialize any part of this fight on a character that isn't obscenely well-geared.

Whats so challenging having to oneshot the bosses before they oneshot you ?

It's a dps check with no difficulty, just tedium and its a badly designed fight.

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impulze3 wrote:

Whats so challenging having to oneshot the bosses before they oneshot you ?

It's a dps check with no difficulty, just tedium and its a badly designed fight.

Yikes.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

Don't expect to tank or trivialize any part of this fight on a character that isn't obscenely well-geared.

Reading is your friend. Also, when you say content is badly designed just because you can't mindlessly facetank it, you really aren't doing yourself any favors.

Obviously, if you're overgeared and do 40M DPS there's zero skill involved in just about anything in POE, you just obliterate the bosses instantly and call it a day. But if you're in the 1-2 million range, you have to be extremely familiar with the mechanics of each and every Breachlord individually, and also able to track what each of the four bosses are doing simultaneously. It's very doable even on sub-1M DPS because it's a completely mechanical fight, but the lower your damage is the better you have to play.

Or you could just rage into the aether because it's definitely not your fault for dying when you decided to ignore an endgame boss telegraph instead of moving out of the way. Would you be just as angry if you died to an Uber Atziri double flameblast? Because if not, you should probably ask yourself why that is.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

It's very doable even on sub-1M DPS because it's a completely mechanical fight, but the lower your damage is the better you have to play.

since you're basically ignoring everything i said and going for the classic 'git gud' argument i won't even bother arguing with you. Show me A9 70%+ quant hidden on a generic 75 res 6k life build with 1-2m dps without getting oneshot by esh or tul, i'll be waiting for your video.

best, show me of you doing it on a melee build that has to directly engage the bosses (no proj) :)

interesting how he never delivered

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Nuyuu wrote:

interesting how he never delivered

he has his points which are actually valid. they're not wrong but even though he's not wrong, its not wrong to prefer the game to be more balanced.

all i can say is, for the average gamer, a lot of poe's endgame content are basically doable if you can delete the boss fast.


there is NO invitation that is balanced.

i am actually OK with the average player not being able to do such content, but i am not ok that the rewards are too great that players effectively lose out for not being able to complete em.

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Nuyuu wrote:

interesting how he never delivered

I literally cannot believe someone actually necro'd this thread after 5 months to try and call me out because I didn't bother responding to the most shameless goalpost movement I have ever seen in my adult life.

Wow.

My initial points:

1 - OP's numbers were wrong because he was not using the correct version of Esh

and 2 - The Hidden was/is intended to be an extremely difficult pinnacle encounter for extremely powerful builds

aren't even in contention because they're... I mean, they're facts. They're indisputable, really, because that's what a fact IS. And someone who immediately moves the goalposts when their argument is destroyed by facts isn't someone I'm going to bother debating online, because they are either incapable of having a rational discussion like an adult, or simply unwilling to do so.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

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Nuyuu wrote:

interesting how he never delivered

I literally cannot believe someone actually necro'd this thread after 5 months to try and call me out because I didn't bother responding to the most shameless goalpost movement I have ever seen in my adult life.

Wow.

My initial points:

1 - OP's numbers were wrong because he was not using the correct version of Esh

and 2 - The Hidden was/is intended to be an extremely difficult pinnacle encounter for extremely powerful builds

aren't even in contention because they're... I mean, they're facts. They're indisputable, really, because that's what a fact IS. And someone who immediately moves the goalposts when their argument is destroyed by facts isn't someone I'm going to bother debating online, because they are either incapable of having a rational discussion like an adult, or simply unwilling to do so.

where video ?

Is a9 even possible with the new Atlas anymore?