Gladiator Spell Block Hard Nerf

Just check how much better Raider is compare to Gladiator. She can max block without wasting passive to get to max block. And she got way better Ascendancy. She also could get easily to 100+ Spell Suppresion.

Raider, Zerk and Champion are way better in what Gladiator was good at. And they can outdamage him by quite a lot currently.

For glad just get attack block cap, which is easier to get then before. Get spell block roll shield + tempest shield which puts you at 40% spell block and top it of with spell suppression and now you take less damage then before with added benefit of consistency from 100% spell suppression.

Technically you can opt out to get a spell block cluster in templar area to push your spell block to 60ish. But that is about 10 points.

Funny read people that never played Gladiator talking aboult "how much gut" the new 60/50 block are compared to old 75/75...

I'll really wait to give it a try in mid league... but not holding a candle for RIP Gladiator.

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Deathfairy wrote:

For glad just get attack block cap, which is easier to get then before. Get spell block roll shield + tempest shield which puts you at 40% spell block and top it of with spell suppression and now you take less damage then before with added benefit of consistency from 100% spell suppression.

Technically you can opt out to get a spell block cluster in templar area to push your spell block to 60ish. But that is about 10 points.

Yep, yep, yep, spend 150+ passive to max your block and spell block, use all of your mana for something you have for free before, and on top of that, you get zero DMG from the Ascendancy. Good advise, as always.
From where the hell you will get that 100% spell suppression?

And why even play Gladiator, when Raider have 40% + phasing on 1 Ascendancy, and the rest are like 10x time better than Gladiator, and on top of that, she can get to 100% spell sup quite easily + max block even more easily.

Ranger outdo the supposed melee class, typical GGG doing.
Bro i hope GGG pays you well, going in every single thread explaining nonsenes.

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RoyalMarauder wrote:

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Deathfairy wrote:

For glad just get attack block cap, which is easier to get then before. Get spell block roll shield + tempest shield which puts you at 40% spell block and top it of with spell suppression and now you take less damage then before with added benefit of consistency from 100% spell suppression.

Technically you can opt out to get a spell block cluster in templar area to push your spell block to 60ish. But that is about 10 points.

Yep, yep, yep, spend 150+ passive to max your block and spell block, use all of your mana for something you have for free before, and on top of that, you get zero DMG from the Ascendancy. Good advise, as always.
From where the hell you will get that 100% spell suppression?

And why even play Gladiator, when Raider have 40% + phasing on 1 Ascendancy, and the rest are like 10x time better than Gladiator, and on top of that, she can get to 100% spell sup quite easily + max block even more easily.

Ranger outdo the supposed melee class, typical GGG doing.
Bro i hope GGG pays you well, going in every single thread explaining nonsenes.

You spent LESS points then before on attack block cap. You spent 0 points on the tree for 40 spell block. You need about 10 points and rolls on gear for 100% spells suppression. So you have to spent about 6-7 points more for this set up as before, all the while you gain ar/ev and 10% max attack block.

But keep malding. Oh i got an idea for you... how about you actually do what you said you doing and quit poe?

And why you not show us on POB from where exactly you are getting the 40% Spell Block ? You are getting it from free ?
And why you not show us also from where you are getting the 100% spell suppression, cause i so far did not see a single Gladiator with even close to 50% spell suppression, let alone 100%.

You also realize that if you somehow are managed to get to this numbers, this means heavy investment, where it's on gear or on tree.

You also do realize that ele builds were deleted from Gladiator?

You also do realize that Tempest was no Reservation, and now you are losing 25% for it ???
You do realize Blind was pretty much deleted, and Fortify is nerfed ???
You do realize Flesh and Stone was nerfed as well ???

I mean no matter how anyone try to spin it, you are losing big time either DMG or Life.
As far as the buffed armor, this is a meme.

And again show us the POB to see how exactly you are getting to 40% Spell BLock from nothing, as well as max Block, as well as SS, and as well as your DPS is not garbage.
Let's see the investments.

BTW i asked probably the biggest "build guy" on the internet, as the guy have crazy builds for every single league, and he had 3 Gladiators in 3.15, and his own word back in 3.15 is that the lose on DMG was like 25-30% back in 3.15, and now he literally said Gladiator is dead and not worth it at all.
And this is a guy that made builds for long, long time and know what he is doing.

And again for 5 million time, Gladiator has 1 thing, it was Spell Block. Which you needed to max, and then move to the DMG from gear.

Now you are way better at Champions or Raider, that can do what you do now, but they are doing it 10x time better.
Raider have 40% free SS + phasing for just 1 Ascendancy. And also a better tree path, and can get to 100 SS and max Block way easier, and also her tree + Ascendancy is just better - simple as that.
Champion is superior as well.
Hell even Slayer is better for 1h now.

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Deathfairy wrote:

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RoyalMarauder wrote:

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Deathfairy wrote:

For glad just get attack block cap, which is easier to get then before. Get spell block roll shield + tempest shield which puts you at 40% spell block and top it of with spell suppression and now you take less damage then before with added benefit of consistency from 100% spell suppression.

Technically you can opt out to get a spell block cluster in templar area to push your spell block to 60ish. But that is about 10 points.

Yep, yep, yep, spend 150+ passive to max your block and spell block, use all of your mana for something you have for free before, and on top of that, you get zero DMG from the Ascendancy. Good advise, as always.
From where the hell you will get that 100% spell suppression?

And why even play Gladiator, when Raider have 40% + phasing on 1 Ascendancy, and the rest are like 10x time better than Gladiator, and on top of that, she can get to 100% spell sup quite easily + max block even more easily.

Ranger outdo the supposed melee class, typical GGG doing.
Bro i hope GGG pays you well, going in every single thread explaining nonsenes.

You spent LESS points then before on attack block cap. You spent 0 points on the tree for 40 spell block. You need about 10 points and rolls on gear for 100% spells suppression. So you have to spent about 6-7 points more for this set up as before, all the while you gain ar/ev and 10% max attack block.

But keep malding. Oh i got an idea for you... how about you actually do what you said you doing and quit poe?

POB pls!

Gladiator's defensive advantage over other classes are minimal and negligible. Unfortunately its offense falls short of other classes. Most defenses have a maximum cap, but DPS doesn't. That means other classes can get by with defense close or equal to Gladiator, along with damage output that scales much higher.

Why Gladiator notables are problematic:

Reigning Veteran is pretty useless. The extra defenses gives diminishing returns as they approach the caps. It should additionally grant an offensive boost to shield attacks. Something like "Shield hits deal 30% more damage". (Yes, "more damage".) For that matter, a Shield tag should be added to Shield-related gems.

Outmatch and Outlast should double the values. "20% more physical damage while at max frenzy charges" and "Regenerate 2% of life per second while at max endurance charges". (Can drop the bonus Physical Damage Reduction since you've already maxed it out with armor and endurance charges.)

Violent Retaliation is hard to evaluate, since POB can't calculate it. Attack damage is lucky should raise the average DPS (but how much?) Ignore Enemy Physical Damage Reduction also means more of your DPS goes through (but how much? varies by enemy.)

Gladiator can still be decent. Around 6k life and 5m DPS (Shield Crush + Impale + Frenzy Charges + Challenger Charges). 75/70 block attack/spell (no Versatile Combatant). If you skip Tempest Shield, you get 75/45 and closer to 6m DPS. 90% Physical Damage Reduction (with Endurance Charges) and 75% all resistance. Arena Challenger, Outmatch and Outlast, Painforged, Violent Retaliation (for this build.)

That said, nobody cares about just being adequate. Players want good or great class to play. Which the gladiator may disappoint compared to other classes. The above build can get very close to max out defenses without gladiator. That means you can use another class to achieve much higher DPS, while maintaining the solid defensive core. That's because Gladiator's defensive notables have very little value now.

I have only played gladiator so far HCSSF non-meta builds.
I somewhat understand the rework / nerf to the block mechanism, especially the spell block as it was the 2nd most powerful defensive layer after dodge. However, I was expecting a better rework. Half of the gladiator ascendancy does not offer much as the other ascendancies offer more in terms of defence AND offence. I can only picture that this rework / nerf will force players to bleed builds with gladiator. Which makes gameplay with gladiator boring. Very much so.

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RoyalMarauder wrote:

And why you not show us on POB from where exactly you are getting the 40% Spell Block ?

You might consider reading my post that you rage about it clearly states it.

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Get spell block roll shield + tempest shield which puts you at 40% spell block