Why do veiled crafts only partially respect metacrafts?

Right, here's the deal. I may have been playing the game for a long time, but I played it my way and never got deep into crafting.

I was super excited yesterday after hitting a 1/3 Aisling gamble (I removed the unwanted non-crafted prefix). The metacraft I had on was "suffixes cannot be changed", supposedly to protect my suffixes.

To my surprise, Aisling removed the prefix and filled the empty suffix spot, despite the meta craft. Only then I learned that veiled crafts - including veiled chaos orb - would have also ignored the metacraft and most likely crafted something in the open suffix space.

Now this is very, VERY confusing and misleading. In my mind "suffixes cannot be changed" should result in... well, suffixes not being changed, but now I know otherwise.

This should be explained on the bench itself, either Aisling or your personal HO bench (in a small info window for example).

This entire operation of course ruined the item for me, which had to be very, very specific for my needs.

I learned this the hard way in Grandmasters League years ago.

Suffixes Cannot be changed only affects the existing suffixes if you have a free suffix another mod can be added as a suffix.

It is within the defined code by the GGG devs not trying to say it makes perfect sense but it works that way.

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zzang wrote:

I learned this the hard way in Grandmasters League years ago.

Suffixes Cannot be changed only affects the existing suffixes if you have a free suffix another mod can be added as a suffix.

It is within the defined code by the GGG devs not trying to say it makes perfect sense but it works that way.

Oh now I know it works "that way", I just think it should be explained considering it does take some effort to both get exalts for the metacraft and to get T4 Aisling.

The same is true of chaos orbs, exalt slamming, harvest crafts, etc. Empty slots are still valid targets to put a mod into, regardless of metacrafts.

They can change the wording to Existing Prefixes Cannot be Changed to make it more clear.

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Revnaut wrote:

They can change the wording to Existing Prefixes Cannot be Changed to make it more clear.

That would indeed solve the issue.

i mean when you think about it...."prefixes cannot be changed" is pretty straightforward language. If there was no prefix there to begin with, nothing is changing. It is being added, which is a totally different process. In 99% of the aspects of this game GGG chooses their words carefully.

Why would "cannot be changed" prevent an empty slot from being played with?

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jsuslak313 wrote:

Why would "cannot be changed" prevent an empty slot from being played with?

Because prefixes is ambiguous. It can either refer to:
- currently available prefixes, or
- an entire group of affixes referred to as prefixes

Both are completely different in their meaning and that's why the mod name makes little sense. A simple change to "Current X cannot be changed" as suggested earlier solves any ambiguity involved.

^none of that matters...whether its referring to available prefixes or all prefixes possible, its STILL talking about changing, not adding or subtracting. An empty prefix is NOT a prefix.

The ambiguity and confusion is coming from players assigning a value to empty affix slots known as prefixes and suffixes. But in reality there is nothing there to label. The slot may have to BECOME a suffix based on itemization rules, but while it's not there it just simply doesn't exist.

The other confusion might come from the reverse situation. REMOVING a prefix/suffix is absolutely a type of change. Sort of a square/rectangle situation. Adding a suffix or prefix is not technically changing the affix, but removing an existing suffix/prefix absolutely is.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

^none of that matters...whether its referring to available prefixes or all prefixes possible, its STILL talking about changing, not adding or subtracting. An empty prefix is NOT a prefix.

Did you read my post? I explained clearly the two possiblities.

Filling an empty affix is, in fact, changing the entire group of prefixes. I don't even know why are you here; just to argue? Because it sure feels like it.