No more TFT discord

Should have just made Oshabi a master or invent someone new to be that master. Keep the seeds so we trade just those mainly. If there's a GGG internal goal of trying to keep the very top-end players from crafting something worthy of a mirror in league (week 1-2?) then give those Harvest items a split-like tag that prevents mirroring. Still tradable, however.

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Marxone wrote:

TFT is a good thing since global/trade 820 got polluted by spamming and scamming aholes and there is no search or vetting function.

Having itemized crafting for trade purpose would bypass limit so how would you justify that?

I think that rather than itemised crafts, a craft trade transaction would be more appropriate. This would still enforce a limit, but trading crafts would no longer require more trust than a regular trade.

And those crafts would have to be able to be listed publically as well of course.

I really understand why GGG have not implemented this yet, since they want those crafts to not be traded, but the reality is that they are, except only by a small group of people that gains a considerable economic advantage over the rest.

Filthy SSF scrub here. Wat is TFT anyway and how it's mandatory to use?

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dW2005 wrote:

Filthy SSF scrub here. Wat is TFT anyway and how it's mandatory to use?

TFT stands for The Forbidden Trove. As I understand it, they began as a group of players (friends?) aiming to create the very best items in Path of Exile. Over time, they became most commonly known for their Discord (chat app) channels, which have a built-in "vouch" system to build trust for services trading. The service trade that is most relevant to this thread is Harvest crafting.

How it works:

• Imagine a seller has a Harvest craft in his Horticrafting Station with "Reforge a Rare Item, keeping all Prefixes." He has no use for this craft right now.
• Imagine a buyer would like to reforge her Rare Item, keeping all Prefixes, but doesn't like Harvest or has been unlucky with her own crops such that she doesn't have that Horticraft right now.
• Either of these players put up a WTS/WTB offer related to how they relate to the keep-prefix craft (buyer WTB/seller WTS) and they find out they're a match for each other as one PMs the other in Discord.
• The buyer "vouch checks" the seller to see that the seller has a record of following through on his service crafts (no scams).
• The buyer gives the item to the seller.
• The seller uses the horticraft.
• The seller returns the item to the seller in exchange for a service fee.
• The buyer "vouches" the seller, adding +1 to the pile of proof that the seller does what he promises and does not scam people.

Long story short, you buy and sell crafts and other services (such as Uber Lab carries or Challenges) that can't be verified through an item-based trade screen. Instead, buyers are required to add trustworthiness to the sellers they buy from (didn't scam me), acting as the verification of service-based trades (seller did 150 services without scamming, so probability of scamming me is low).

"Here. let me dupe that Annilis for you... I'll stand over here by Gheed, and you drop it real fast three times..."

Yeah... I just do my own crafting and item hunting. Or buy finished items.

Oh... making changes to sell crafts is cool though.

But I'd never trust anyone with a good item if I didn't live close enough to beat their head in with a fence-post if they scammed me. >:)

Given the value of a mirror-tier item, it's worth building up a rep to rip off something that nice. Stealing a good enough item would basically fund all your characters for as long as you want to play PoE and then some. You'd only have to do it once.

Plus, discord is cancerous spyware, managed by even nastier people.

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DER_PSYCHOPATH wrote:

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Marxone wrote:

TFT is a good thing since global/trade 820 got polluted by spamming and scamming aholes and there is no search or vetting function.

Having itemized crafting for trade purpose would bypass limit so how would you justify that?

I think that rather than itemised crafts, a craft trade transaction would be more appropriate. This would still enforce a limit, but trading crafts would no longer require more trust than a regular trade.

And those crafts would have to be able to be listed publically as well of course.

I really understand why GGG have not implemented this yet, since they want those crafts to not be traded, but the reality is that they are, except only by a small group of people that gains a considerable economic advantage over the rest.

I recall World of Warcraft had that item window where you place your item and the other guy can apply a craft. That would be interesting to have something like that, but I guess it would require some sort of trading bench.

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Marxone wrote:

I recall World of Warcraft had that item window where you place your item and the other guy can apply a craft. That would be interesting to have something like that, but I guess it would require some sort of trading bench.

Yes, that sort of thing is what I had in mind. It would also work for stuff like mirror services, although depending on the craft, the outcome would have to be obscured so that people cannot change their mind after seeing it, but can change their mind without seeing it.