Can we still divine legacy Acuities??

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Xavathos wrote:

Legacy items are a mistake anyway, probably GGG's biggest over the years.
Times change and this change should affect all equally.

And how do you propose they do this? Literally delete all items that are not "the most up to date version"?

GGG has no code to go through and find what the most up to date version of an item is. Are you proposing they shell out billions for low-paid interns to manually scrub through the database and delete items? And watch as they accidentally delete a mirror-tier rare because an intern was sleepy?

Or are you saying that with each League start, every Unique item in Standard that could possibly have a prior version is deleted? That will piss off a lot of people who aren't carrying legacy items.

"We've patched an item, it's literally impossible for us to update all existing versions of this item, so we're just deleting them all."

Sounds like a massive middle finger to all Standard players.

Legacy items exist only because of no practical methodology to update them. If GGG could have prevented legacy items (like with Voltaxic Rift's nerf-existing-items hack of changing the modifier so it grants what it says at 60% of its value), they would have.

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adghar wrote:

GGG has no code to go through and find what the most up to date version of an item is. Are you proposing they shell out billions for low-paid interns to manually scrub through the database and delete items? And watch as they accidentally delete a mirror-tier rare because an intern was sleepy?

Making the code they lack would be the easier solution, I guess, if one wants to prevent legacy items from existing.

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adghar wrote:

Or are you saying that with each League start, every Unique item in Standard that could possibly have a prior version is deleted? That will piss off a lot of people who aren't carrying legacy items.

You are pretty uncreative in your solution attempts.

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adghar wrote:

Legacy items exist only because of no practical methodology to update them. If GGG could have prevented legacy items (like with Voltaxic Rift's nerf-existing-items hack of changing the modifier so it grants what it says at 60% of its value), they would have.

I doubt it.

Take for example legacy Vessel of Vinktar:



It is the only item in the game, legacy or not, that has the modifier "Life and Mana Leech are instant during Effect".

That modifier must have an ID. One could simply change what that modifier does. It would exclusively target legacy Vessel of Vinktar to do so. But they don't do it. That must be a conscious decision.

... yeah, to be honest, I don't know why I was such a dick in my last reply. The more I think about it, the more I think that the last time they claimed it was physically impossible, they really were smol indie game company (2014-2015-ish) and meant it at that point and just lacked the imagination.

Most likely scenario is that they nowadays have the tech to nuke legacy items if they wanted, so long as their modifiers only appear on specific items like Acuity and Vinktar, but they've been legacy for so long that they've decided to let sleeping dogs lie. And again, not allocate additional dev resources to making these players' experiences worse.

EDIT: Probably I'm just traumatised by all the times that I've had people complain to me, repeatedly, about things that are literally not possible and yet they seem dead-set on believing the only reason I'm not doing X is because I have personal grudge against them. No, sir, it is simply not physically possible to do X. But I'm not GGG, so I can't say whether the impossibility they talked about before is still the case.

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adghar wrote:

... yeah, to be honest, I don't know why I was such a dick in my last reply.

You, sir, are my personal hero of the day for showing self-reflection in this forum ;). Though your reply didn't seem especially dickish to me, just not particularly well thought out, which happens.

TencentGGG dealing properly with "legacy" items? Pleaseeee... /s

Do you remember the melee weapons rework and their choice to make Doryani's Catalyst "legacy" via limiting the blessed orb impact on the implicit % inc ele damage???

I do.

They took the wrong stance regarding "legacy status" on items, and now, most of us Standard players wouldn't even conceive them taking our "toys" away...

It's like a full reset of the passive skill tree that also drops you character level to 1 from 100.

No one "sane" would want that.

So dealing with "legacy items IS THE STATUS QUO.

They also lack the "vision" to address that with PoE 2, so we will have to still deal with their half baked "balance" solutions that create more and more "legacy" versions for items...

And I find that mildly "fun", as you never have to use those "broken" items, but they are cool to be kept - my copy of the Acuities lies in the 1st Unique tab, and will soon be joined by a shiny relic "new" version in the second one...

I would actually enjoy more a curio display as MTX for me to showcase those "legacy" versions, instead of using them on characters...

PS: Divining Acuities is the best use case for a Divine orb regarding uniques IMHO, so please keep at using those in help of reaching "perfection", I know I do...

You can guess it is a new mod and make the old mod as legacy or just numeric value nerf by pressing Alt button

You can also guess it by using trade site as the site list the current default value of the mod

The third method is search POE wiki which the wiki has all the datamined mod up to 3.12

There are exceptions on legacy unique item. GGG nerfed ALL versions of Ungil's Harmony even those some of them has legacy mod

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neohongkong wrote:

You can guess it is a new mod and make the old mod as legacy or just numeric value nerf by pressing Alt button

You can also guess it by using trade site as the site list the current default value of the mod

The third method is search POE wiki which the wiki has all the datamined mod up to 3.12

There are exceptions on legacy unique item. GGG nerfed ALL versions of Ungil's Harmony even those some of them has legacy mod

more strike off note

edit: Turn out the game do have https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/Modifier:NoBonusesFromCriticalStrikes mod

But it is not used in the amulet

All version of Ungil's Harmony use

https://pathofexile.fandom.com/wiki/Modifier:CriticalMultiplierUniqueAmulet18

as indicated by the required level is came from this mod (29*0.8 round down)

Yeah, I called that Ungil's Harmony issue last year, just before getting on GGG about the Freezing Pulse wording *they changed the wording since then yay!* - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2894008 (Ungil's Harmony) there's STILL been no official word from GGG about that.

Usually searching the PoE wiki page is a good idea when coming back after a long break but PoE wiki is missing a few things at the moment, I've been noticing in recent days. Top example would be the recent nerf to safehouse rewards; no longer having 2 benches for leader rewards.

I noticed this when going to upgrade 2 breachstones, suddenly noticing it's only one.

There is no one pick up the role to be the real programmer to maintain the datamine tool pypoe, which is used by the wiki. I can spot a lot of errors in POEDB but at least the site owner may be due to ad revenue, actively maintain his own datamine program


Apart from the pypoe, there is lack of editor in general that are vet in this game and willing to spend time in wiki.