Cluster jewel farming is frustrating
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I don't get it why we can't use blessed orbs or some other technique to roll cluster jewels implicits (besides 5:1). Delirium orbs seem very scarce this league as well so obtaining clusters have been a very frustrating experience. Ritual was really cool about this but ultimatum only gives stupid currency, not actual useful items like clusters.
Sitting at A8 and 157/164 completion and only got ~5 delirium orbs and only around 15-20 delirious maps so far. Allocated delirium in all the applicable regions as well. Please give us a way to reroll clusters or target farm them, since a lot of them are build defining items and shouldn't be this hard to obtain. Its fine that its difficult to roll the right notables/no. of passives on the jewels, but just obtaining the base type should be simpler. If anyone have any suggestions or strategies to obtain them, please let me know. Couldn't find anything online besides heist contracts but that doesn't seem to be a very viable ssf strategy. Suggested solution: Add delirium to map device every league. Make it expensive (~10c) as an endgame viable way of farming cluster jewels Last edited by stalkingjackal#2441 on May 12, 2021, 4:04:57 PM Last bumped on May 14, 2021, 10:48:16 PM
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I 100% agree.
I've given up on cluster jewels by now. I farmed every Demolition Contract, did every delirious map I had and did 5:1 until I couldn't anymore. Never once did I get the Large Cluster I need, let alone with 8 passives. For Medium Clusters I got one, with 4 passives aswell, but with an too low item level for the best Affixes (<75). It's just frustrating and after all the nerfs, the jewels aren't even that good anymore. Please give us a more reliable way of obtaining specific Cluster Jewels. |
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" Rituals were a really good way of obtaining them in ssf last league, I'm a bit sad that they didn't add them as rewards to ultimatum encounters instead of endless trash 5 links. I'm gonna respec my haework hamlet points to try it out once I drop some more respec orbs. |
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By the way, the reason cluster jewel farming feels bad this league is because rather than offering cluster jewels as rewards, they now give delirium maps.
I'm pretty sure they also changed this in rituals now to where they dont' offer cluster jewels... just maps to maybe get a cluster jewel. Extra layer of RNG because it was "too easy" to get them last league I guess? |
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" Its true about ultimatum offering delirious maps sometimes, not sure about rituals not offering clusters anymore since I haven't done a lot of rituals this league. I wouldn't say it was too easy last league either lol, I went the entire time without finding a single warcry medium cluster. |
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Wanted to bump this, just heard Nugi talking about this exact same thing on his stream. I know the game isn't balanced around ssf, but allowing us to reroll the base on clusters isn't gonna affect balance in any way. Getting a shitty base cluster with higher no. of passives is trivial and a non-issue on trade league, while its extremely frustrating for ssf.
After a month into this league, I haven't found a SINGLE fire medium cluster. Running delirious maps is not even the best way of obtaining them, sometimes I run one with 125+ iiq and don't get a single cluster even with 45% inc. chance from atlas passives. The best way to get clusters right now is through heist contracts. Rolling the exact notables you want on clusters should remain hard to do as it is right now, but please give us a way to reroll the base type or make obtaining them much easier. This is the single most frustrating aspect of ssf imo Last edited by stalkingjackal#2441 on May 14, 2021, 2:08:25 PM
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" I think you mean that we should be able to pursue a goal in the game and it should be viable to reach that goal without trading. While i agree with you about this, SSF is a challenge on its own. You sound like you wanna play SSF without playing SSF. Every specific item will be harder to achieve in SSF. Most of the times you wont be able to play with optimal gear in SSF. That includes cluster jewels. Last edited by Exsmigol#0934 on May 14, 2021, 2:21:46 PM
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" I agree specific things should be hard to achieve in ssf. Getting a cluster jewel base type isn't very specific though, rolling the exact notables on is the specific part (which I agree should remain hard to do). And I did not start with a build that requires cluster jewels in ssf. However, after a month of playing I have gotten a lot of the rarer uniques in the game such as shavs, cloak, volls devotion, void battery etc and yet to find a single cluster that I want. I don't think that's very good balance. With enough time played, these jewels should become a non-issue even on ssf. That's what Nugi was talking about it, because how good clusters are for build customization its a shame they're so hard to get without trading. Also another point was that with league reward 'rebalance' delirium should be the best source of cluster jewels. But its not, I've run several delirious maps in lex ejoris (+45% chance) consecutively without getting a single jewel. Whereas you run some heist demolition contracts and you're almost guaranteed to get a delirium chest. Shouldn't a delirium mirror or map give at least 1-2 jewels per encounter? Last edited by stalkingjackal#2441 on May 14, 2021, 2:36:33 PM
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" Yes, it should. |
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" Actually Heist is a very good way to farm cluster jewels (you can also deterministically choose their drop level form lvl 67 up to lvl 83, which can be relevant for some specific notable combinations) It is also very SSF viable this league since Heist is on the map device for 6 chaos, which is very affordable I feel. I made good money this league from target farming various cluster jewel bases from heist. This is a strategy you can do (requires some effort to set it up):
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- level up all your rogues minimum to level 4
- complete all green quest contracts but 2 specific one which you leave uncompleted ("Grocery List" and "The Rescue", for the second one you must progress the main quest line to that point) - If you have everything else completed up to that point, it is time to get some nice Heist equipment for your bro Vindiri (also level him up to lvl 5) Heist Rogue Equipment recommendations:
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- Brooch: chance to duplicate Delirium Orbs/Catalysts
- Cloak: reduced amount of alert level opening chests - Tool: chance to not generate Alert level opening chests - Gear: not needed, go for whatever - now get yourself a nice Thief's Trinket on top if you want to go with it (% chance for Delirium Orbs, % chance for catalysts etc.) Now you have everything you need to make profit while farming Heist to afford the craft on the map device. Step 1) Run maps in Lira Arthain with "Secret Stash" and "Inside Job" atlas passives Step 2) Each map you open with the Heist map device craft will have at leasst 2 smugglers stashes (or 3 if you are lucky) Step 3) Each time you open a smugglers stash, the game checks what quest contracts you have not completed yet and drops at least one of them for you - since we have 2 specific quests uncompleted and everything else completed, we get 2 quest contracts from every map we run with the Heist modifier! Step 4) One of the contracts is Vindiri's "Grocery List" contract, which is always a Demolition contract by nature (Demolition contracts can spawn Metamorph, Blight and Delirium chests). If you run maps with at least lvl 80 or higher, you will get 3 chests at random in your contract. The second quest contract "The Rescue" is a special main quest lock picking contract, which spawns currency and fragment chests, which you can run to regain some chaos and other currency to fuel your map device. Step 5) Run the contracts, open as many chests as you can without triggering alarm (The Rescue is a special one, that does not trigger alert level, so you can open every chest in there) Step 6) Leave the contract without getting the main objective and triggering alarm and thereby fail it on purpose (you still reap all the rewards from chests and just leave) Step 7) start any other contract to close the portal to the quest contract (quest contract is now considered failed) Step 8) Since you did not complete the quest contract, it will drop again on when you open your next smugglers stash. The quest contract level always is the level of the area the smugglers stash is opened (so you can choose the ilvl) - all loot from chests in Heist is equal to the contract level. Step 9) Choose the cluster jewel level you want and run maps on that level with the Heist map device craft to gather "Grocery List" contracts, one by one, open chests and get out early without triggering the alarm, failing the quest on purpose - use "The Rescue" to fuel your efforts with the currency drops there. Step 10) you will get good amounts of cluster jewels of all variations doing that (some of them will get doubled thanks to Vindiris ability), you will also get catalysts and delirium orbs out of it which you can sell for profit, as well as the cluster jewels you do not need. You can do this in SSF; it is practically not doing full heist since you just grab the chests and leave without much risk involved (good for HC even) and you are still mapping 50% of the time, so it doesn't get boring too quick I felt. I don't say this is perfect, and the game should be played this way, but you can do it since it does not break any rules to do so. If GGG does not give us enough Delirium rewards and nerf delirium orb drop rate; players will always find a way. |
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