Oneshots from white mobs or invisible sources must stop!

Just 2 Weeks after a Death to an unknown source from the High Lithomancer I could not see, in under a second, far off from him and at full life, I died again in SSF HC. This time in a white Heist Map Level 67 to a white mob.

This is not about juiced maps, super bosses or a lag. It is being killed without a clue or chance to learn from something that looks simply impossible.

I insist that there should be a combat log to investigate this. I also read a lot in different forums about death in white maps from white mobs or getting onethotted from off-screen. This has to stop!

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In my case, I had 3K ES and Life, all Resists max (also chaos), 3K Armor, Minions on the front (Stone Golems with 16k+ Life, Spectres, Tibbs the Giant etc), and no enemy close to me.
Add in Mind over Matter at 38%, enough Mana recouperation for my life Pool, Arctic Armor, Flesh and Stone in defense mode, cast when Damage Taken with Immortal Call and other such standard measures. Also typical flasks with +3K Armor, 3K Evasion, 15% physical Mitigation.
All that while Channeling Divine Ire, which adds 8% less Damage from physical and Lightning.
Then minor things like block, spell block, life regen of 500+, ES with leech support and wicked ward etc, enduring cry and flame dash instant teleport with both second wind... whatever I could come up with.

Then, instant Death, faster than I could even hit space to teleport. All I could see was a normal Lightning Ball from a normal Heist Mob (white!), which simply should not be able to kill me when at full ES and Life. Those shots normally do not even come close to penetrate 3K ES, even from multiple mobs.

It can also not be elemental reflection, since I am immune to this, using physical to lightning to be sure at 100% on all spells. With no mob close to me, only a simple lightning ball of a white heist mob is left as a damage source.
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I now humbly ask about a solution to either tell me what I might have done wrong, how to build differently while already putting 90% into defense, to implement combat logs, or any other source of information beside "shit happens" or "game has many ways to kill you" or "these mobs/ bosses can be a bit unpredictable".

Thank you in Advance.

The one shots are one of the things I hate the most atm.

What I find really troubling that the best way to play is full offence, since it doesn't matter how much you put in defence, you can still be one-shot.

Everyone says "Layered defences", but you have only few ways to build defence anyway.

1. Full Acro/Phase Acro + Wind Dancer
2. Armor with Iron Reflexes and maybe Block when you go Glad or Staff
3. Recovery on Block for CI + Glancing Blows

Not that it matters anyway, you just die less...

I always wanted to build super tanky build that can also tank bosses, but that is nay impossible. If you try to outplay Baran or Prolong the Sirus fight or Cortex or Uber Elder, they may prove impossible to beat when you invest into defense and not offence.

That is why aura stacker got nerfed.

And I wouldn't even mind boss taking like 5 mins instead of 20 secs, but just let me stack enough defense so I don't get offed by degens before I can kill something. And yeah Maven with "Live longer" doesn't encourage this playstyle as well.

So TLDR: ATM go full offence and kill everything before it kills you and sometimes die, not that you would otherwise not die.

no more buying of mtx is the only way to make them interested in the real issues of this game again.

Looked at your build. Not exactly what i would expect from a hardcore character in terms of defenses but also way tougher than what a normal white mob can oneshot, not even with a crit. Pretty sure there was something different at work here that you are not aware off. Dangerous map mods/rares close by, Corpse Explosions, some invisible nuke thanks to fucked up texture streaming, Curses/debuffs on you who knows.

Without other external factors a white mob won't do this much damage.

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TheRealMrDeath wrote:

The one shots are one of the things I hate the most atm.

What I find really troubling that the best way to play is full offence, since it doesn't matter how much you put in defence, you can still be one-shot.

Everyone says "Layered defences", but you have only few ways to build defence anyway.

1. Full Acro/Phase Acro + Wind Dancer
2. Armor with Iron Reflexes and maybe Block when you go Glad or Staff
3. Recovery on Block for CI + Glancing Blows

Not that it matters anyway, you just die less...

I always wanted to build super tanky build that can also tank bosses, but that is nay impossible. If you try to outplay Baran or Prolong the Sirus fight or Cortex or Uber Elder, they may prove impossible to beat when you invest into defense and not offence.

That is why aura stacker got nerfed.

And I wouldn't even mind boss taking like 5 mins instead of 20 secs, but just let me stack enough defense so I don't get offed by degens before I can kill something. And yeah Maven with "Live longer" doesn't encourage this playstyle as well.

So TLDR: ATM go full offence and kill everything before it kills you and sometimes die, not that you would otherwise not die.

Layered defenses dont matter, its always about total health pool. You can never get enough of anything for it to be gaming changing which is a major flaw.

For example EV characters are ticking time bombs, i have played them soo often. Once you get that one unlucky hit youre dead because enfeeble, fortify, what have you simply is not enough to take the blow.

Armour works in a weird way but is pretty much the same, you cant get enough for it to be valuable, only "there". Once something breaks through your CWDT and Leech youre dead even with Fortify up.

ES has always been the strongest because you can scale it soo high and dont have to invest in real defenses because the practical total HP pool actually is enough to live through anything that could potentially one hit you the majority of the time, i doubt thats changed in the last 4 years.

The closest thing ive ever played to unkillable was really, really old Aegis builds. Thats because Legacy Aegis was OP OP.

I've been 1 shot a few times this league. I'm going along in a map (easy one at that), then I'm dead. I really don't understand how people are playing HC in this game.

I end up avoiding a lot of content for fear of the XP loss from some random instant death or a shotgun attack in a postage stamp size arena.

Nothing ever gets fixed in this game, just crazier & crazier nerfs and new MTXs every other week. The graphical/texture stuttering/streaming is just complete shit at this point.

I'll just say this, when D4 comes out (providing it's as good as the hype), this game will find itself being a ghost town. I really don't like PoE but there is nothing else until D4 comes out. I have a feeling I'm not alone here.

The ball lightning attacks from Heist enemies do incredibly high base damage, which is why they are very slow with a large telegraphed casting time.

It's not at all surprising that you got 1-shot when you didn't move out of the way, this is not an attack you're supposed to tank.

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bex_HB wrote:

no more buying of mtx is the only way to make them interested in the real issues of this game again.

+1

I stopped spending my money as well

Its one thing to die to a telegraphed attack.

But these stray bullet one shots that you can't see on chaotic cluttered screens full of crap are just ridiculous.

Its a 100% losing proposition.

No matter how much defense you have, or how many layers of defense, eventually, something will get through and 1 shot you. Its only a matter of when, not if.

Dont you love ending a trial and then getting hit by an invisible AOE spell for half of your health that Trialmaster forces out of his butthole just to see you off