How Do You Define Exploit?

I am sure what people are concern about isn't what an exploit is but what GGG would consider bannable exploits. GGG could ban players at their sole discretion on what they consider exploits after the fact. They don't have to be clear and transparent. They could possibly terminate their service to you for whatever reason or for no reason at all. Maybe people didn't know that? It is probably somewhere in the TOS to protect companies from being sued and liabilities.

The only reason they got banned is that they did it on stream, clear evidence that they found a bug, and exploited it after they found it, even after they reported it I think, they still did it. GGG said publicly somewhere, dont have the quote, that they will ban for this behaviour. They had to do it, plus it was a good way to get some good PR after the rage about prioritizing streamers.

Just helped that the main dude that got banned was acting entitled and pissed of the community about said streamer privilege, perfect fall dude to soothe the masses.

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Scorpio_ASC wrote:

The only reason they got banned is that they did it on stream

This is, of course, wrong. We've had non-streamers been banned for similar exploits in the past.

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Scorpio_ASC wrote:

The only reason they got banned is that they did it.

Fixed this for you.

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This is, of course, wrong. We've had non-streamers been banned for similar exploits in the past.

Maybe, maybe not, but that they did it on stream guaranteed it, i.e forced ggg's hand.

You must agree they took the chance to fix the bad publicity in the days surrounding it.


Edit:not saying this is bad in any way, but its not like they ban everyone for every little misstep, they made a thread saying they banned 20 people, when alot more probably did it. I mean that streamer dude and his friends had to make up atleast half of those 20 bans, if not all.

In WoW, we used to call it "clever use of game mechanics"
Knowingly using this to gain an advantage over others (see economy in PoE) is an exploit.

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DoubleU wrote:

In WoW, we used to call it "clever use of game mechanics"
Knowingly using this to gain an advantage over others (see economy in PoE) is an exploit.

This is the kicker I think the op doesnt want to hear. And thats that what is clever use of game mechanics and an exploit is up to the game devs. We can define what we think "exploit" is but it becomes a judgement call for when it crosses a line. All we can do as players is use our best judgement if we think something is wildly out of hand (ie ultimatum loot) or if we are unsure just ask ggg in the bug forums or via support tickets.

Hope op never looks into law...

I disagree with that. There was a time that the vendor recipe for 20% quality gems was unknown and people who knew it were able to profit from it. That's not an exploit. That's using knowledge to give you an advantage. The difference between this and an exploit is that the developers intended the recipe to be included in the game.

That's why you can't leave this up to the players. The players get zero votes on what makes an exploit. It's entirely up to the developers.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I disagree with that. There was a time that the vendor recipe for 20% quality gems was unknown and people who knew it were able to profit from it. That's not an exploit. That's using knowledge to give you an advantage. The difference between this and an exploit is that the developers intended the recipe to be included in the game.

That's why you can't leave this up to the players. The players get zero votes on what makes an exploit. It's entirely up to the developers.

Or developers can call it an exploit and nobody get a ban. That is sole discretion.

The way I see it is. The developers missed a mistake that they made. The players found the mistake.

It should be the developers that should be in trouble, not the players.