Streamer priority confirmed. PoE is free to play, so play it for free, but Boycott GGG.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

What's WG short for?

I could google but I'd probably end up in a clickhole about pasta sauce.

Wargaming dot net, yes. Antigegner is right.

Besides, how could one be employed by a pasta sauce? o_O

Well no. I'm sure the hole would start innocent enough...but before I know it...WHY YOU HAVE BEEN DOING RAGU WRONG AND HOW TO NEVER MAKE SUBPAR SAUCE AGAIN!

Also, wargaming has a bit of a saucy reputation for their tryhard PAX afterparties. No big surprise there.

Whatever else might change with GGG, I don't see them falling prey to their own success in this regard. Kiwis take great pride in their humility. Even really successful ones still walk around barefoot and self deprecate on the regular.

If only this attitude extended into their work, which has more than once resulted in colossal displays of hubris. Exhibit a: Jackson. The Hobbit budget bloat definitely undermined a lot of the authenticity and earnestness of the LOTR movies. Then there was King Kong. And did anyone even watch Mortal Engines?

You may think this is off topic but it really isn't. A person might downplay their persona and seem in touch with the masses but their work might tell a very different story as it fails to resonate or connect with those masses.

I'm no fan of the most famous lizard people but at least most of the time they don't insult our intelligence by acting like they're the same social species as the rest of us. Most of the time.

And their work speaks for itself. In a way I think once a creator surpasses a certain threshold they should just embrace their status as a genius creator and stop trying to play nice with everyone. Including the parasites who just want to make a buck off that work. Whatever that might mean in context.

Well I've spotlighted the dots enough for now. Draw your own lines between them. Or don't.

PoE is roughly 300% more than the game it could have been. It was LOTR at some point...now it's the entire Tolkien ouevre, unedited.

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Also, wargaming has a bit of a saucy reputation for their tryhard PAX afterparties.

Well, people which can afford to request a wing of air stunts specialists on interceptors for single person's amusement can afford sick afterparties. The irony is, they have exactly same pleasure with groupies attending afterparties after local metal bands mash. Maybe less.

Speaking of reputation, (at least locally) it elevated to a reputation of law dawgs which pursuit ex-employees for developing things remotely resembling their flagship product.

And returning to main topic of this topic...

*sigh*

Whole thousand can't be all-geniuses.

And even if they are - there are fine lines which should never be crossed.

At least because society as a whole stands on these lines. And crossing these starts degradation and collapse.

Buuuuut, they say that there is no crime which business won't commit if 300% profit is at the stake... which, essentially, is a reason behind particular atrocity which became a centerpiece of this thread's exhibition.

And they're reaping the consequences.

There's been quite a bit to digest in this post since I last read it. I unequivocally agree. I must say the hubbub of the past couple of weeks has been much amusing, and if only there wasn't a part of me that didn't wish things had gone different. It's very unhealthy and unbecoming of humanity to feel happiness at someone's fall and so I must leave all this place and all things connected to it to memory.

While fun was had, I wish it were greater. While hope for the future of the game was a boon, I wish it remained. While it was fun to enjoy what would come next, I wish I could enjoy it.

Anyway, on my leaving note, enjoy some memes that have been floating around. I found them to be quite hilarious.

Point of View - You're either
A) GGG's integrity
B) Harvest Crafting
C) A casual player



The Result of Better Times

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Tsokushin wrote:

It's very unhealthy and unbecoming of humanity to feel happiness at someone's fall and so I must leave all this place and all things connected to it to memory.

O RLY?

Maybe you don't understand human. I would say it is perfectly normal specially for someone they perceive as evil. People celebrate when the evil villain died.

Schadenfreude is one of the most human feelings you will ever experience. It is how a lot of people define their own fragile happiness, for lack of genuine contentment.

What divides good people from bad, heroes from villains, is how long it takes to feel guilty over it. The longer you can find joy in someone else's suffering, the worse of a person you are. Regardless of all other alignments, beliefs or agendas.

The celebration over the villain's defeat is almost always very brief, and typically bittersweet. It's what comes after, the numbness of a lost cause and fear of the void left in the villain's wake, that separates fantasy and reality.

But let's be clear. There are very, very few such villains in real life. Most people can't grow a moustache worth twirling and they're too busy worrying about their own perceived villains to behave like one themselves. Equally, heroea are recognised only after the fact and typically are nothing more than those who both did the right thing and were somehow noticed doing so. Those who do the former but fail the latter vastly outnumber the so-called heroes.

And I think everyone counts themselves among that number more often than not, clutching at the pearls of delusion and muttering "I could be worse...I could be so much worse..."

It's almost the opposite of schadenfreude. This taking delight in the lack of suffering we inflict on others and the covetous glee that they will never know how close you sometimes come to ruining them simply because you can. The secrets you keep. The flaws in their armour you do not reveal. Oh most days you don't even think about it. But sometimes it seems like the only power you have over anyone. And it's only barely eclipsed by the self control to hold back. A stronger...better power. Or so you've been told.

Schadenfreude is almost ethical compared to this.

Gosh, I really swerved off topic there, didn't I?

Oops. Silly me.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

This taking delight in the lack of suffering we inflict on others and the covetous glee that they will never know how close you sometimes come to ruining them simply because you can. The secrets you keep. The flaws in their armour you do not reveal. Oh most days you don't even think about it. But sometimes it seems like the only power you have over anyone. And it's only barely eclipsed by the self control to hold back. A stronger...better power. Or so you've been told.

You must know that not everyone's mind works that way right? I've known some borderlines that do though. I've got my own dysfunctions but that isn't one.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

But let's be clear. There are very, very few such villains in real life. Most people can't grow a moustache worth twirling and they're too busy worrying about their own perceived villains to behave like one themselves. Equally, heroea are recognised only after the fact and typically are nothing more than those who both did the right thing and were somehow noticed doing so. Those who do the former but fail the latter vastly outnumber the so-called heroes.

Villians are more like doubt for your own safety and welfare implies forsaking someone in danger or in a moment of need, profit at somone's expense when there is little consequence or disregard the harm to your own economic well being, or to save your drowning wife or your mother? That exists ... when there is a negative effect in all regards, What would you do?

The Cost of Self Sacrifice is a tragedy than heroic. In the event everything turn out fine, a man become a hero. More often in a much more dramatic sense when everything fall to pieces, that person may be a moron as he is lacking in judgment. He should either be forgotten or never be mentioned.

People admire the "superhero" celebrities not the heroes with no names.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

The longer you can find joy in someone else's suffering, the worse of a person you are. Regardless of all other alignments, beliefs or agendas.

You just invalidated whole healthy part of BDSM community, you know. And it - exists.

Since whole game's VISION(TM) drifts towards unsolicited non-consensual S/m, it's twice as funny. I mean, not if that wasn't happening before - it's just much more prominent now.

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Speaking of original topic, there WAS a smart solution which would make EVERYONE happy.

Let streamers enter ahead of the rest. Disable means for dealing damage for them.

How It Works: streamers may still join other players' parties, serving as operators for them, streaming other (rightfully first on servers) players' experience.

Community engagement! Fair play! A spotlight for average player! So much positive experience this approach could net! For everybody! But failed!

The funniest part is, it does not even require truckloads of coding since we're having Keystone which does half of the job already. . .

Hm. I always figured BDSM was for the most part a sort of complicit playact given the existence of safe words and other measures to prevent genuine damage but eh if that is how you choose to read what I said when I very clearly was referring to actual cruelty and torment then good for you. :)

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I don't think that's a good solution. People aren't going to sit and watch what is essentially play pretendies and I don't see streamers embracing what would obviously be a pointless exercise when people want to see the real thing. There is a reason gladiators weren't just actors...


And since I never see it happening there is no point arguing it further. But again, if that is what you believe would be a good solution, good for you. I will gladly recant should you turn out to be right. :)

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Anyway...I do think GGG learned their lesson and won't give streamers priority access again. And they won't put themselves in a position where they are legally obligated to do so...not even for a truckload of money.

But that was never my argument. My argument is that even if they have learned their lesson, that isn't the point. They are still the same company that thought it'd be perfectly fine to do it in front of everyone. That somehow had the gall to think you would all be just hunky dory with streamer access priority. That you would be delighted just to have something to watch even though that one thing is something that until that moment you were told would be fair for all rather than open to priority access. Had there been no backlash there wouldn't have been an apology. Even though they did the wrong thing and knew it. Almost certainly knew there would be backlash but considered that an acceptable risk compared to said truckload of money.

The lesson learned wasnt "don't do dodgy things again", it was "don't let them see us doing dodgy things again".

In that light providing 'solutions' to the streamer access priority issue is sort of missing the point. GGG already solved it: don't do it again.

But that isn't the real problem here. And I'd be just repeating myself were I to continue this post, so I shan't. You've either gotten it by now or you haven't.

:)