Streamer priority confirmed. PoE is free to play, so play it for free, but Boycott GGG.

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Phrazz wrote:

I don't really "know" that Mars exists either.

Get a telescope and see for yourself.

Also as it relates to this conversation, dev's in other games have done this, admitted to it, and why.

The question really isnt a matter of can/are they, and more do you believe them capable of doing so.

I dont see why there would be any benefit of the doubt or blind faith trust GGG would invoke, but I suppose to each their own.

I have known for the longest time that GGG harbors and encourages both a culture of elitism and drives the divide between the perceived haves and have nots.

I have known I am not their target audience, their target audience are their streamers. The games' content is designed and balanced around them.

I have tried to ignore this fact as long as I could derive enjoyment from the game for the things I liked it for. This worked as long as there was a game to enjoy.

Recently they have done things that have rendered the game effectively unplayable for me and many other players. Despite me wanting to buy things from them because I enjoy the aesthetic of their work or the convenience it offers me, I will not.

This whole debacle has only served to crystallize my understanding of the contempt the people making this game have for me as one of their consumers. They don't want me to have fun playing their game. They want me in a cycle of negative and positive reinforcement that will keep me coming back for more.

This game feels more and more like a job, probably because for the people for whom its being made, it actually is! Other major game developers make focusing on their 'elite' cast of players viable while being successful so I doubt GGG will be changing how they handle their players.

I'll keep playing as a free player from now on, enjoying the game for what I can until am either completely alienated by their design or I simply won't be able to play their game period, whichever comes first.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I dont see why there would be any benefit of the doubt or blind faith trust GGG would invoke, but I suppose to each their own.

As I said; I don't trust GGG. Don't think many people do these days. But to make up YOUR mind about streamer RNG, you have to forget about GGG. Look at the math/statistics. Are there really numbers out there backing streamer RNG? Who are these streamers? Examples?

To me, streamer RNG has always been about people crying loud, because they can't phantom the idea of someone being better than them. Someone playing twice as much as them, getting twice as much loot. People playing twice as efficient as them, getting twice as much loot. People scaling content twice as much as them, getting twice as much loot. People being twice as knowledable as them, getting twice as much loot.

I don't care about GGG in this debate. We all know "they are able to". They always have been. But why scream out for streamer RNG without proof? Where is their "telescope", letting them "know" that streamer RNG exists?

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Ageless_Emperion wrote:

I have known for the longest time that GGG harbors and encourages both a culture of elitism and drives the divide between the perceived haves and have nots.

I have known I am not their target audience, their target audience are their streamers. The games' content is designed and balanced around them.

I have tried to ignore this fact as long as I could derive enjoyment from the game for the things I liked it for. This worked as long as there was a game to enjoy.

Recently they have done things that have rendered the game effectively unplayable for me and many other players. Despite me wanting to buy things from them because I enjoy the aesthetic of their work or the convenience it offers me, I will not.

This whole debacle has only served to crystallize my understanding of the contempt the people making this game have for me as one of their consumers. They don't want me to have fun playing their game. They want me in a cycle of negative and positive reinforcement that will keep me coming back for more.

This game feels more and more like a job, probably because for the people for whom its being made, it actually is! Other major game developers make focusing on their 'elite' cast of players viable while being successful so I doubt GGG will be changing how they handle their players.

I'll keep playing as a free player from now on, enjoying the game for what I can until am either completely alienated by their design or I simply won't be able to play their game period, whichever comes first.

Thank you so much for taking the time and making the effort to contribute to this topic. Eloquent and direct. You are not alone.

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Folks like this, Darthski44, are why the glue you mentioned is just as important as the horse we flogged to get here. I have never been one for self-bumps but then again I've never before seen GGG do something so openly corrupt and then try to brush it off with a frankly insulting reason/excuse that I actually wish I knew necromancy to raise the horse anytime the beatings got too severe. This cannot be allowed to die. GGG want to kill it far too much, as you've already seen.

Because while this might bear some resemblance to beating a dead horse, that is almost a purely superficial comparison. IMO the horse is dead when there has been either resolution or the situation is entirely hopeless. We all know neither is true in this case. No resolution beyond a hypocritical statement, and hope lies in the fact that people like Emperion are posting 46 pages into a thread whose core message is entirely on page 1.

Besides, if the horse is dead and we are left with glue, there are worse agents for bonding out there. And as I said right from the start: this isn't something anyone could do alone...not even a blowhard in complete love with his own textual prowess such as me.

+1

All roads lead to Rome? All the beloved and much respected game studios I've known now seem to be pale shadow of their former selves.

Streamer privilege finally removed BUT what about Streamer RNG???? when Streamer rng will be removed?

GGG likes add extra loot and good planned rng while gives other shitty rng and nolucky drop/craft

I have stated repeatedly that I do not believe that GGG tamper with anyone's loot chances (edit:in a positive sense [see below post]), and that I don't believe them giving streamers priority access to gridlocked servers is related to any such escalation.

And here's why: they have nothing to gain from doing it, and a lot to lose if caught doing so.

In the case of what actually happened, they knew had a lot to lose if they didn't do it and not a lot to lose if they did. Exiles are already used to having to deal with servers shitting themselves on launch day. Paid streamers from other games? Less so. And as I said, the local celebs and their droogs, lovers, pets, and hangers-on also got in "to keep it fair". Do you honestly think GGG would have done it if they weren't confident most Exiles would be over it within a day or two? That they'd be able to rationalise it for themselves?

Exiles would not be over confirmed streamer loot manipulation in a day or two, and every time they didn't get a desired drop they'd be reminded that there are people out there factually more likely to get it. All it would take is one disgruntled streamer to spill the beans and GGG would be finished. So why risk that? Better to just let the addictive nature of PoE do its thing and make it SEEM like streamers have better luck because they play more and, like or not, often play better and smarter. Whether that means GGG's game or their actual game is pretty much irrelevant. Their role as figures of envy and influence is fulfilled either way.

Easy analogy: it is only logical that casinos treat their high rollers more obseqiously than slobs off the street. There is no such logic extended to them actually letting high rollers win to keep them playing -- they know they don't have to. A gambler is often just as fired up when losing than when winning. Makes the inevitable win that much sweeter, and of course the longer the losing streak, the happier the gambler is with a smaller victory.

So please stop bringing up streamer RNG in this thread unless you have proof of it. I have proof of GGG giving streamers priority access over anyone else at crucial times, and proof they did it for nothing more than mere money. Because they did it right in front of us.

If that isn't issue enough, too bad. Personally I think it's sort of silly that we'd have people trying to suggest a disgraceful possibility might follow a disgraceful reality. What, was GGG selling you loyal supporters out for en masse streamer recruitment, betraying their basic code, not atrocity enough?

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

I have stated repeatedly that I do not believe that GGG tamper with anyone's loot chances, and that I don't believe them giving streamers priority access to gridlocked servers is related to any such escalation.

And here's why: they have nothing to gain from doing it, and a lot to lose if caught doing so.

They did tamper with botters' RNG. They admit as much. There is reason enough to believe they COULD. Whether they actually DID is unknown to us. Lack of information is not proof of it.

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So please stop bringing up streamer RNG in this thread unless you have proof of it. I have proof of GGG giving streamers priority access over anyone else at crucial times, and proof they did it for nothing more than mere money. Because they did it right in front of us.

Don't say things you don't like? Is this a dictatorship? I can come up with better conspiracy theories. Like maybe whales has Whales privileges? Why GGG don't post botters ban list anymore? Chris Wilson secret identity is THE PR MAN not the Managing Director of GGG.

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If that isn't issue enough, too bad. Personally I think it's sort of silly that we'd have people trying to suggest a disgraceful possibility might follow a disgraceful reality. What, was GGG selling you loyal supporters out for en masse streamer recruitment, betraying their basic code, not atrocity enough?

Not a Believer of "If they go low, you go high" I like "If they go low, you go lower so you can kick them in the nuts." But then again, I never thought GGG as one of the good guys. I never got "I got betrayed by my best friend" feeling some people are having. My reaction is benign in that sense.

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awesome999 wrote:

They did tamper with botters' RNG. They admit as much.

Ah, this is a GOOD point, and one I've known for a long time. I shall amend what I said. Thank you for the catch!