Streamer priority confirmed. PoE is free to play, so play it for free, but Boycott GGG.
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...Dude. I'm sorry. I was not offended by any of that. It was fiery and convicted, which I will always respect more than milquetoast, mealy-mouthed, wishy-washy balderdash.
Which is to say: it wasn't me. So let's all read between the lines there, shall we? This is a place for the tread of angels, not the rush of fools, as Forster (or even Pope) might put it. Or, to quote a somewhat less subtle source in "Southland Tales", They are watching. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between. I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. Last edited by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Apr 23, 2021, 9:56:02 PM
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yeah, even after all this toxic nonsense based on essentially lies that you are saying about them, theyre still going to stop me telling you some home truths. i could have said a lot more than i did, but what little i said said enough. enough to get it deleted and enough to paint a real picture of where the morality in this debate actually sits.
maybe its not everyone else who needs to step back and let something sink in. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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" Of course I can't see all of your last couple of posts but what I can see of your posts seem to much better fall into your category of toxic and hateful than anyone else's posts on the past page or two. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" then go read the whole thread and ask yourself why the thread was made, what it attempts to achieve and on what logic it is based. go ask charan who he honestly thinks is the one here whos intentions are more toxic. you just dont like what im saying, char doesnt like it either, the pair of you like it even less because you know its true. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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The streamer stuff, everybody company does it directly or indirectly, it is how most business works, influencers cost less than regular advertisings are more effective because people are sheeps.
Now I'm more baffled by the league mechanic itself that is way less convoluted and polished than things we had in the past AND more importantly about the game beeing unplayable for me atm with lag spikes every time I get into a semi crowded area :) |
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" While it is how most business works, the concern here is that it is not how GGG has implicitly worked for years. That seems to be the issue a lot of folks are missing from what I can see: I am not in any way claiming that coddling streamers or buttering up those who can potentially make you a lot of money is bad business. 'This was advertising and advertising is good!' is far too simplistic a view for my tastes, as is 'this ultimately would have made GGG money that they'd then spend on PoE' (sorry, but LOL -- this move was *never* going to work, even under perfect circumstances). I honestly thought I made it quite clear in my OP (to which I've added some material from subsequent posts in this thread and afterthoughts) that the key here is that GGG, as usual, want to win both ways: they want to be seen as the good guys who deserve your support, league after league, for not being like other developers, other businesses -- for being fair for all (their words, not mine), for not playing favourites in the competitive scene, and so on...but at the very same time, they think a simple apology will somehow wash away the revelation that they are perfectly capable and willing to play favourites for the right motivation, i.e. aforementioned money. And as I said (honestly, are any of you reading the revised OP here?), had they done this purely for the paid streamer and cited legal obligation as their only motivation after the fact, I genuinely think that would have been more agreeable than what they actually did. THAT would seem like a mistake -- like they'd bitten off more than they could chew (promising an otherwise uninvested gaming influencer 2 hours of play time on launch day when PoE league launch day is *never* stable enough to support that) and did what they had to in the moment to not get into real trouble (gave him those 2 hours despite keeping others out). But instead they chose to appeal to greed, perhaps suspecting that Exiles understand greed more than legal obligations. Either way, we know what they actually did and the extent of it. I hope we also grasp the implications (what some here are calling 'toxic lies') of this entire fiasco. I hope. I still can't believe anyone at GGG thought paying a big pile of money to a streamer popular for playing games utterly unlike PoE would go well. Are they unaware of how most gamers see PoE? It's grindy, repetitive, old-fashioned, outdated, obfuscated, confusing, unfun and inexplicably defended by its rabid fans (I've seen all of these said about PoE by non-Exiles -- some of them my close friends IRL). Seems like the decision to throw a big pile of money at a popular, unrelated streamer was the result of a lot of number crunching sans empathy or consideration of human reaction beyond trend and data analysis. Again, reading between the lines -- what exactly does GGG see its own players as, if they can conclude that giving 'a big pile' of *your* support money to such an obviously bad idea is not only okay but praiseworthy? Pay for streamers, sure -- but for goodness' sake, pay for streamers who might actually make your game look good even when it's not performing at peak. Which, let's face it, PoE rarely does. And there's the irony: PoE already has a bunch of unpaid streamers already doing that. This was a misfire on so many levels, but it was extra baffling because you'd think after ten years, GGG would know and understand their player base. Going by how many people want to just move on and play their game rather than actually think about what happened and what it means for them beyond their immediate need/desire to play PoE, maybe they do. Better than the player base knows itself. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between. I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. Last edited by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Apr 24, 2021, 12:33:03 AM
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" First a correction to your post. My statement was referring to the past page or two. I believe your posts were the only posts edited by the moderators in the past page or two. So, the moderators seem to disagree with you. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" Again, assuming bad intentions. They said it was mistake and dont want to repeat it. Shit happens. Mistakes happen. Rushed decisions happen. Like they WANTED this to happen. Just ridiculous. And you dont seem to understand how advertising works. PoE or ARPG streamers and their audience are already aware of PoE. Audiences of other Genre-specific streamers might not, so you advertise to them to broaden your playerbase. Its not a hard concept... Yes, this might be important to YOU and a few other people - and thats perfectly fine. But you blow it out of proportion. It doesnt have any deeper implications and it doesnt concern the absolut vast majority of players, because theres no reason why it should. This game (outside of races) isnt competitive and doesnt have a level playing field, when theres entire guilds dedicated to controlling trade market. (Yes, you can create competition for yourself everywhere, doesnt mean thats what this game is about. Id love to see your iteration of PoE Esports... ) |
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" We need to clarify what we mean by 'mistake' here. I've already done so, but let's start with the source: " Note here that we see both words: decision and mistake. And consider the wording: it wasn't the allowing of any streamers to bypass the queue that is designated a mistake; it's the decision to do so. There is a subtle but significant difference -- allowing the paid streamers to bypass the queue can't be designated as a mistake because it wasn't: business and legal-wise, it was an obligation. The mistake was two-fold: making an obligation they must have suspected they couldn't meet in the first place, and then in allowing *the other* streamers to bypass the queue -- I do believe that second one was less deliberated, less calculated. It was a panic gesture of 'oh fuck, if we let a paid streamer in, our unpaid ones and their viewers are going to realise we've overlooked them'. That was what they call in sports an unforced error. BUT I've also noted I believe I know why they did it, and it wasn't necessarily for the reason they gave (for 'fairness' between the elite few -- gimme a break). Pivoting the decision and the unforced errors on 'we did this because if we didn't we'd lose a lot of money' was also, I think, a mistake. A misjudgement in being too candid. Also, I found it disingenuous when they did it for streamers they weren't legally obligated to add to the bypass queue. Chris trying that approach was most definitely a mistake. So there were a few mistakes made, big ones too. But the first few decisions that forced them to make these mistakes? *Not* mistakes. But these are just our idea of 'mistakes'. My guess is that GGG know that what astute, critical folk would see as 'mistakes' (or, heaven forbid, calculated decisions) most of the players even aware that anything happened will brush it all off as business as usual, not that important, no one got hurt, and other delightful mental acrobatics that allow them to continue to enjoy the game at a very myopic level. Which is fine: not only did I not say 'stop playing PoE', I outright said, 'continue playing PoE'. Hell, keep supporting if you want the mtxes and the titles and whatnot. That's just buying what you like. You're getting your money's worth. But do not support them because you feel 'it's the right thing to do'. They don't do 'the right thing' anymore. Not by supporters. Ironically I think they set a big pile of money on fire the moment they decided to use a chunk of supporter money to try to bring in a bunch of players who almost certainly wouldn't get what makes PoE special. Talk about overestimating your own very flawed, crude game's wider appeal just because it has an established addicted base accustomed to those flaws and crudeness! If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. |
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" Yes. Btw, I just opened the forum again today... Sorry for the late response. Friendship with Path Of Exile has ended. Now [Insert a video game title here] is my best friend.
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