End game and squishy characters.

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xMustard wrote:

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Vennto wrote:

If you know when those mechanics apply and in what order then u can build extremely tanky characters. But people rather prefer to deal 25million damage rather than tanking it.

thats mostly because its safer and more reliable.
the game ultimately is a war of attrition. you want to kill before being killed. even with all of the defensive layers etc we can still die in literally the blink of an eye.
killing the mobs/boss instantly is just the best way to stay alive because there is much less time for you to be insta-gibbed, regardless of your defenses.

this is why aura-stacker and other build have become "the best" because they get both defense and insane offense. but even aura-stacker builds are not immortal and will die if you're not killing.

Just no, that's the point. If you build properly you can't die in the blink of an eye against like 95+ % of the content. You can't die at all if you pay minimum amount of attention. Honestly if you get "instagibbed" more than once in a blue moon you either deliberately play a glass cannon or you just don't know how to build defenses.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Just no, that's the point. If you build properly you can't die in the blink of an eye against like 95+ % of the content. You can't die at all if you pay minimum amount of attention. Honestly if you get "instagibbed" more than once in a blue moon you either deliberately play a glass cannon or you just don't know how to build defenses.

or you stand still when you arent supposed to stand still

defensive layer number 1: never stand still

+1

The most important unpublished stat for any build... how long it's safe to stand still. Of course that depends a bit on how well you built it, how much you invested in your gear, whether you went for a few more offensive nodes vs the defensive ones, etc.

But back to some of the other comments, a true one shot is pretty rare. Defensive layers won't prevent one shots that are designed to kill anything. Only not being there when they land will. Defensive layers also won't prevent a lot of deaths if you're not moving enough. But defensive layers + good movement will prevent most deaths.

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jewdas12 wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Just no, that's the point. If you build properly you can't die in the blink of an eye against like 95+ % of the content. You can't die at all if you pay minimum amount of attention. Honestly if you get "instagibbed" more than once in a blue moon you either deliberately play a glass cannon or you just don't know how to build defenses.

or you stand still when you arent supposed to stand still

defensive layer number 1: never stand still

If you have the level of defence i am talking about you can stand still and dont give a shit. Depending on the Build you may have to hit a button or 2 every now and then so you cant just go afk but thats it. There are build dependant limits to what you can ignore and what not for example i dont have a build that can reliably eat 3 shaperballs in a row but even that is very much possible.

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COTTIXS142 wrote:

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Kind of new to using the forum, but in need of advice...

What could I possibly do to my main char. while keeping the build similar, that would make me less squishy. I get one-two shot by just about every boss or elite/rare monster

in the end it doesnt realy matter. i have 10.000 Energy shield and some random rare mob oneshot me eventually. meanwhile some other people with 5.000 health can do sirius brain afk.

if u don't play copy paste meta build you can't be tanky. thats the sad story.

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WaifuJanna wrote:

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COTTIXS142 wrote:

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Kind of new to using the forum, but in need of advice...

What could I possibly do to my main char. while keeping the build similar, that would make me less squishy. I get one-two shot by just about every boss or elite/rare monster

in the end it doesnt realy matter. i have 10.000 Energy shield and some random rare mob oneshot me eventually. meanwhile some other people with 5.000 health can do sirius brain afk.

if u don't play copy paste meta build you can't be tanky. thats the sad story.

Sounds like you are missing something. A physical reduction, perhaps. Do not forget that with 10k ES and 2k armor you'll have far less physical eHP(effective hit points) than character with 5k health and 12k armor.

Tl;Dr if you don't think that reworking few passives for an extra defensive layer is doable, the best bet is to reroll. There is nothing more innefficient in PoE than playing overly concentrated for your survivability. It is one of the main reasons that make aura stackers as strong in current version.

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WaifuJanna wrote:

if u don't play copy paste meta build you can't be tanky. thats the sad story.

Yes you can, I had to make a handfull of characters to understand what it would take to survive end game, and a guide helped me, it was 6 years ago and it never freaking changed ^^'.

A lot of times OS are caused by shotgun effects or things that you should have moved away from, like different things hitting you at once or brainfarting.

If you die randomly, if you have the feeling that a better gear will not fully fix it, there are 3 things you can do:
- 1) add new layers of defense in your build, for example if you play evasion/dodge, you can add mind over mater or use more appropriate flasks, an active skill or a new cwdt setup. A 5K ehp baseline doesn't prevent yourself from getting os in red maps, it's extremly dicey juiced ones.
- 2) get more damage, maybe some mechanics would not kill you if you'd end the encounter earlier, it can be particulary true for end game bosses but it is also the case when pushing a delirium(things do more damages, it's true, but they require more bruteforce dmg to die or get cced).
- 3) play cautiously (unrecommended because it doesn't make sense in a game where speed is the factor, you want to dive in and rekt stuff, not to observe make plans before acting, you are supposed to do everything at once)

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WaifuJanna wrote:

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COTTIXS142 wrote:

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Kind of new to using the forum, but in need of advice...

What could I possibly do to my main char. while keeping the build similar, that would make me less squishy. I get one-two shot by just about every boss or elite/rare monster

in the end it doesnt realy matter. i have 10.000 Energy shield and some random rare mob oneshot me eventually. meanwhile some other people with 5.000 health can do sirius brain afk.

if u don't play copy paste meta build you can't be tanky. thats the sad story.

You realize that someone had to create these "copy paste" builds?

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1. Does jack shit againts one shots (that are not phys dmg)
2. Does jack shit agains one shots
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4. Does jack shit against one shots
5. One of the best defense mechanic, but hard to get
6. Does jack shit against one shots from dmg you dont convert
7. Hard to get outside of few ascendencies
8. Does jack shit against one shots
9. Does jack shit against anything that isnt phys dmg
10. Does jack shit against one shots

I have yet to encounter a oneshot that is able to kill me. You are not supposed to tank a quad beam, an elder slam or whatever. Even in 100 % Delirium Maps Kosis wasn´t able to blast me with a fully charged explosion wave. Again, I just think you lack defensive layers if you encounter 5000 "one-shot"-mechanics a map.

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Vennto wrote:

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1. Does jack shit againts one shots (that are not phys dmg)
2. Does jack shit agains one shots
3.
4. Does jack shit against one shots
5. One of the best defense mechanic, but hard to get
6. Does jack shit against one shots from dmg you dont convert
7. Hard to get outside of few ascendencies
8. Does jack shit against one shots
9. Does jack shit against anything that isnt phys dmg
10. Does jack shit against one shots

I have yet to encounter a oneshot that is able to kill me. You are not supposed to tank a quad beam, an elder slam or whatever. Even in 100 % Delirium Maps Kosis wasn´t able to blast me with a fully charged explosion wave. Again, I just think you lack defensive layers if you encounter 5000 "one-shot"-mechanics a map.

The thing is that usualy shaper slam deals less dmg than some random rare monster from newest league. They always make new league monsters hit like a fking truck.