3rd Party Tools

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Ohminger wrote:
In this thread https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2687314 they say its okay if a 3rd party tool does "one server side action"
Who is 'they'? The forum states there are no staff posts in that thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2687314/filter-account-type/staff. If we're talking about unofficial consensus Sarno's Macro guide is probably more authoritative, but it's still unofficial. The only relevant official word I've been able to find is the following single line in the ToS:
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7. Restrictions: Under no circumstances ... may you:
c. Utilise any automated software or ‘bots’ in relation to your access or use of the Website, Materials or Services.


Which seems to pretty clearly not apply to any manually activated, single-request price-check macro.
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HanSoloDK wrote:
the reason you get banned for "price checking tools" is that some of them spam's GGG backend API's and curse system unstability and crashes.
How you can see this is people making threads about the "capthure" is there ALL the time (each time they click something) and that programs like PoB no longer works. This is because their IP has been restricted (blocked) by GGG security systems and this is the final step before an account ban is done.


This will not get you banned, only locked.

API is supposed to be used by third party tools. API is "application programming interface". If you do too many requests, API will return specific code ("rate limited"), and then you have to stop doing requests. Awakened PoE Trade have in-build rate-limiter for that reason, so you cannot spam too many requests by accident.

What had happen against POE Overlay users, is that their tool spammed millions of requests for some reason (according to GGG comment). So they had their accounts locked until the problem was resolved.

Which is quite obvious that attempting to attack server with million requests would get you locked, doesn't matter the tool.
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_Daybit_ wrote:
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HanSoloDK wrote:
the reason you get banned for "price checking tools" is that some of them spam's GGG backend API's and curse system unstability and crashes.
How you can see this is people making threads about the "capthure" is there ALL the time (each time they click something) and that programs like PoB no longer works. This is because their IP has been restricted (blocked) by GGG security systems and this is the final step before an account ban is done.


This will not get you banned, only locked.

API is supposed to be used by third party tools. API is "application programming interface". If you do too many requests, API will return specific code ("rate limited"), and then you have to stop doing requests. Awakened PoE Trade have in-build rate-limiter for that reason, so you cannot spam too many requests by accident.

What had happen against POE Overlay users, is that their tool spammed millions of requests for some reason (according to GGG comment). So they had their accounts locked until the problem was resolved.

Which is quite obvious that attempting to attack server with million requests would get you locked, doesn't matter the tool.


Not according to some of the people that was banned and made threads about it.
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HanSoloDK wrote:

Not according to some of the people that was banned and made threads about it.


I believe Bex and Novynn more than people who could get banned for anything.

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ga0zlf/psa_waves_of_players_being_banned_for_use_of/

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No, we only consider failed requests (anything in the HTTP ~400 range) when scanning for bad actors. If you're not generating millions of 429's (which is what this tool is sometimes doing) then you're fine.

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These accounts were locked not banned. If the OP is talking about accounts that were banned then it's possible it's a separate issue but I don't have the details there.
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_Daybit_ wrote:
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HanSoloDK wrote:

Not according to some of the people that was banned and made threads about it.


I believe Bex and Novynn more than people who could get banned for anything.

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ga0zlf/psa_waves_of_players_being_banned_for_use_of/

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No, we only consider failed requests (anything in the HTTP ~400 range) when scanning for bad actors. If you're not generating millions of 429's (which is what this tool is sometimes doing) then you're fine.

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These accounts were locked not banned. If the OP is talking about accounts that were banned then it's possible it's a separate issue but I don't have the details there.


well ok then, that was news to me. Thx for that.
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SirGuySW wrote:
If we're talking about unofficial consensus Sarno's Macro guide is probably more authoritative, but it's still unofficial.


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_Daybit_ wrote:
I believe Bex and Novynn more than people who could get banned for anything.
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ga0zlf/psa_waves_of_players_being_banned_for_use_of/


Thanks for the feedback, guys.

Reading all this, I see no reason violating the ToS if you use one of named tools in the first post in their actual state, under "normal" conditions and configure them in a way, that you only do one action per active click.

It would be so helpful for the community and the authors, if that would get confirmed by a GGG member. I'm sure the authors would even adjust their tools to work only like this.
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Ohminger wrote:
Trade Companion

The last time I looked at this program, its default settings included functionality that was bannable. I would thus not recommend using it or any other tools created by its author - if you insist on doing so, make sure that no buttons perform multiple actions.


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HanSoloDK wrote:
A manual logout macro where you push 1 key and it does all the rest is allowed --> THIS IS THE ONLY MULTI MACRO that is allowed.

The log out macro does not perform multiple actions as defined by GGG.

It sends a RST packet to the server (1 action).
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Sarno wrote:
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Ohminger wrote:
Trade Companion

The last time I looked at this program, its default settings included functionality that was bannable. I would thus not recommend using it or any other tools created by its author - if you insist on doing so, make sure that no buttons perform multiple actions.

Thanks for the feedback and info Sarno.
Yes, by default there is one button that kicks buyer and whispers a "thanks". That must be changed into two separate commands.
Hi there! I've PM'd you about this. :)

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