PoE Ninja stats on Harvest classes and builds (Discussion)

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frikabg wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

They are cheap safe and require very little skill or effort to play. Players will gravitate towards whats easy and pays out the most even if the build itself isnt particularly fun.

With the waves of nerfs hitting every archetype - spellcasters, melee, bow - minions remains a a powerhouse that requires no gear to perform well relative to other archetypes.

Cheap by who's standards? Yours? When the majority of people are playing 1 build it becomes everything but cheap. I decided to go for a new experience this league and go necro for the first time ... I just gave up on it at one point. The progress just come to a halt because the next step of buffing up was at the price of min 2xexalts per slot. In a league where the drops are few the currency is even fewer playing a popular build is like tieing both of your hands behind your back.

Minions requiring no items to be a powerhouse... lol yeah ok sure totally not my experience ;) they are great endgame compare to most builds but start mid game I can give them a MEH. That is just me though

Are you saying most the 32% of the player base playing necro are high roller vets paying 2 exalts per item slot?

I've always been a bow ranger for as long as I could remember but when I dabbled into alts mid or late league with winter orb or cyclone during their prime they were sickeningly powerful aand the power to cost ratio was still very reasonable especially in the former's case.

Popular fotm builds share one thing in common, profoundly good cost to power ratio. Many other builds can reach these power levels in theory but why pay 2x-3x more money for the same amount of power?

Well I hope the VD Necros had a better time of it than I did. Could be another reason why players dropped out. So many guides with little to no information on leveling. And then when you realize the "no so good at bossing" is actually zdps bossing.... Maybe its better with end game gear but with no drops to trade up to it I gave up.

VD necro is completely spell based. It is not a minion build at all.

The reason why it's the most played build is because bone offering is completely op for block, and VD is a homing missile.

You have more survivability than other casters for the dps you put out. You can also cheese content early on by kiting with vd missiles going backwards to kill dangerous bosses.

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Shabob wrote:

VD necro is completely spell based. It is not a minion build at all.

The reason why it's the most played build is because bone offering is completely op for block, and VD is a homing missile.

You have more survivability than other casters for the dps you put out. You can also cheese content early on by kiting with vd missiles going backwards to kill dangerous bosses.

Can you tell us why its so popular? how is expensive is the build relative to its power?

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HwtChirino wrote:

I know for a fact that my build outperforms their ability to clear and down bosses in both speed and dps.

Wrong.

Or your build would be the meta.

Are you done boosting your ego yet?

I tested VD Necro and basically is a spellcaster who benefits from Mistress of Sacrifice+Bone Offering block combo + easy levelling fun clearspeed. As soon as it hits T12+ all its bells and whistles start to feel a bit pointless as bossing is simply ...bad. Asks for a LL transition, as most spellcasters do, or a supertanky , Max Block pure life variant who kills bosses in 3 minutes from 1 screen away filling the screen with 1 million of orange balls and corpses. It feels a bit ridiculous to fill the screen with what it looks to be a nuclear mayhem to be dealing the same dps as a couple of BL mines.

It was regarded as the best leagustarter by 80% of streamers and content creators and there hasn't been another meta, broken build posted ,yet. But, honestly, with medium investment, there are many other builds that outperform VD by far. Cold DoT, Golems, CoC, BV,BL+IceNova,...

The actual metas are Rumis Concoction, 1h+Shield, Glancing Blows and Bone Offering, basically Block mechanics. Those reign supreme in 70% of the builds. Necros, Gladiators, Occultists, Elementalists,...So , there you are, next nerf for Glancing 100% sure.

what i see from this is the casual base all playing vd cus its 1 button ezmode

the res of us play other shit

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Nephalim wrote:

Can you tell us why its so popular? how is expensive is the build relative to its power?

You just have to boil it down to what it actually gives you, with the new accessibility of glancing blows would you reserve all your mana for very high auto targetting DPS and capped block with recovery built in?

I would, If that was an aura i'd run it on every character.

so offensively you have the ultimate in ARPG technology, homing missiles that trash everything for you and even go round corners etc and your opportunity cost for setting that up is capped block and great recovery.

Tbh its a wonder we aren't all playing VD. In essence its a spellslinger problem though not actually necromancer, you can do VD as a Jugg and its still busted. Any of the "combo" skills when the combo is removed are pretty broken like cremation is extremely powerful too it just doesn't clear as well.

Its an evolution of the problems they added when the original poets pen came in, it feels fantastic because its broken *shrugs* casting with significantly less stat requirements while simultaneously allowing like 5 triggers per attack that you previously would micromanage.

As others have mentioned VD isn't the best bosser though, but we also spend very little time bossing so it doesn't matter in most circumstances IMO

I always play meta in leagues, they're the most fun builds IMO - PP Arc, Winter's Orb, Baron Zombiemancer, Cyclone, CoC Ice Nova - smooth, enjoyable, powerful, one button wonders.

Without investment most skills feel like crap once you get to juiced T14-T16, why even bother? I'm not Mathil, I don't get paid to be hipster.

1st of all we need to say few things openly. There are no amount of defensive layers that can save you from endless over powered game mechanics and one shots, that you can't really react to cause game is way to badly designed to deal with signaling.

At this point GGG gave up on fixing poe 1 ( rightfully so) and realized they disbalanced game so much with constant new content that game is one big meme at this point.

Lets say i want to play Berserker melee build cause i want to be individually unique. I stack 1400 str = around 30 ex worth of gear = 2 weeks of nonstop play i go Infernal Blow ( aka dog shit mapping skill in a game that is forcing boss fights for progress). And i buy MTX for my herald of ash so that explosions may look enjoyable, i buy that core supporter pack so my character is all fire theme.

I plant seeds (t3) and i chose to activate them in a map for more quantity. I die 6 times by getting instantly oneshoted by mechanics of auto hit, with max resistances, 70% block chance, and and 6600 life pool.

Tell me do you think i will continue to play this game my way after that ? I grinded those tier 3 seeds for 7 days only to die 6 times by overpowered over scaled minions, not being able to do anything to stay alive and finish encounter since i have to be in melee range to attack.

You see people play meta builds because game is FORCING them to play builds that are able to deal with such stupid game mechanics.


Only regret i have with this game is that i love to buy mtx. So much so that it makes me depressive spending money on a game that i desperately want to play and enjoy, but being unable to do so cause GGG ruined their own game by adding WAY TO MUCH league mechanics to CORE game.

And now they are becoming even more greedy in spite their game failing miserably and are fucking us with NEW stash tabs that could be implementet into existing ones. Fuck this company they are just like any other corporation. Quantity over quality.