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JusticeAndLiberty wrote:
Random Nummer Generator
Google is your friend
Wiki's outdated mixup and Google's Orwellian bias are the reason people are asking PathofExile over 3rd person company.
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Posted byThunderBiome#0813on Jan 14, 2018, 3:27:53 AM
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Rares Not Guaranteed.
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Posted byAbdiel_Kavash#5296on Jan 14, 2018, 3:28:30 AMValued Poster
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I wonder where the actual generator is situated
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Posted bykompaniet#2874on Jan 14, 2018, 1:42:40 PM
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It's not a thing, it's some computer code that's part of the game executable (on the server). There are a lot of different ways "random" numbers can be produced, the most common being using the computer's clock time as a random seed and doing some math on it to get the size/type of number you need. That's not REALLY random, but it's close enough :)
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Posted bySrkandi#3983on Jan 14, 2018, 2:06:28 PM
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There have been problems in the past using the clock... turns out there's not all that many possible times. Even measured in microseconds, there are just so many possible times in the day, and thus only so many "random" numbers. You can analyze "knowns" and decide which seed you're currently using. That's how they broke the code on Poker Stars and were able to find out what other players had in their hands.
Current hardcore RNG use thermal info as well as humanistic concerns like mouse position/velocity/accelerations. There's all sorts of better seeds out there than time of day.
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Posted byShagsbeard#3964on Jan 14, 2018, 3:33:48 PM
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THE DICE ARE AN ILLUSION EXILE
HAIL SATAN!
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Posted bytramshed#4306on Jan 14, 2018, 5:50:24 PM
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Shagsbeard wrote:
There have been problems in the past using the clock... turns out there's not all that many possible times. Even measured in microseconds, there are just so many possible times in the day, and thus only so many "random" numbers. You can analyze "knowns" and decide which seed you're currently using. That's how they broke the code on Poker Stars and were able to find out what other players had in their hands.
Current hardcore RNG use thermal info as well as humanistic concerns like mouse position/velocity/accelerations. There's all sorts of better seeds out there than time of day.
first of all pretty sure it was planet poker, not pokerstars (as it would be a big scandal). second, it wasnt completely because of seed synchronization, but rather bad algorithm (seed was only stored in so many bits so it could be brute forced). the hackers behind it synchronized their program with the server clock and brute forced the cards and synced on every match...which was rather trivial even back then
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Posted bygrepman#2451on Jan 15, 2018, 1:45:09 AM
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RedOrNoThing wrote:
"RNG blabla RNG is RNG blabla more RNG for you blabla in races RNG awesome "
WTF IS RNG?!?!?!
I guess you don't know what Google is either.
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grepman wrote:
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Shagsbeard wrote:
There have been problems in the past using the clock... turns out there's not all that many possible times. Even measured in microseconds, there are just so many possible times in the day, and thus only so many "random" numbers. You can analyze "knowns" and decide which seed you're currently using. That's how they broke the code on Poker Stars and were able to find out what other players had in their hands.
Current hardcore RNG use thermal info as well as humanistic concerns like mouse position/velocity/accelerations. There's all sorts of better seeds out there than time of day.
first of all pretty sure it was planet poker, not pokerstars (as it would be a big scandal). second, it wasnt completely because of seed synchronization, but rather bad algorithm (seed was only stored in so many bits so it could be brute forced). the hackers behind it synchronized their program with the server clock and brute forced the cards and synced on every match...which was rather trivial even back then
yah... that.
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Posted byShagsbeard#3964on Jan 15, 2018, 6:20:59 PM
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