Auras are boring.

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KarraKurri wrote:

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Darkrox01 wrote:

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return33 wrote:

Player has 1 aura -> he gets 120% of the listed effect of that aura
Player has 2 auras -> he gets 100% of the listed effect of that auras
Player has 3 auras -> he gets 80% of the listed effect of that auras
Player has 4 auras -> he gets 60% of the listed effect of that auras
Player has 5 auras -> he gets 50% of the listed effect of that auras
Player has 6 or more auras -> he gets 40% of the listed effect of that auras

What's the point of that ?
Punishing ppl that invested massiv points into reducing the mana cost of the auras to run 6+ of them by then saying thx for the wasted points with lowbie auras?
No +1 for you Sir :/

Its called BALANCE. And the point is BALANCE.

ffs.... :/

^This.

The problem is that Auras give casters the ability to stack as many as they want without any negative effects.

Players who chose to go Melee CANNOT stack that many auras.

Something needs to be done about it.

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CycloneJack wrote:

As I stated in another thread, I think auras are just too easy to stack. I would limit the player to 1 aura, and then add +1 Max Aura nodes through out the tree, and then maybe add +1 Max Aura to a few future uniques. If it takes an investment for curses, summons, charges, etc, why is there no investment for auras?

Because stacking generic passive buffs and then facerolling game with char that looks like World Of Warcaft/D3 designer wet dream is the definition of hardcore gaming. And PoE is so hardcore and deep... lol.

God this game is so fukin mess right now :) Stack HP, stack auras, choose skill to faceroll -> whole 'build diversity' in one sentence.

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mrmisterwaa wrote:

Players who chose to go Melee CANNOT stack that many auras.

Well I can...

Balance is another subject -- how easy do you think it is to run NO Auras? Excluding excellently-rolled rares / uniques?

Both with Melee and Ranged, I see popular, highly effective builds focusing on one, maybe two skills, adding a billion support gems to them, along with running a billion auras.

I think the game as it is right now draws us to having less skill diversity.

And I'm not saying these builds should necessarily go away, just be more interactive; rather than spam 1-2 skills while running 4+ Auras.

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mrmisterwaa wrote:

^This.

The problem is that Auras give casters the ability to stack as many as they want without any negative effects.

Players who chose to go Melee CANNOT stack that many auras.

Something needs to be done about it.

I though Melee can use more auras then anyone!

Dmg: Hatred, Wrath & Anger (perfect for stacking ele dmg with weapons)
Defense: purity, determination, vitality (or grace/ clarity)
Utility: Haste (attk speed + mov speed)

Get inner force too, 30% extra effects (I did :D)

I agree that with inner force not only the auras become OP - with BM they are too good to miss. BM and Loh/ LL or high regen means that you never suffer the drawbacks of BM. Only downside being you need BM + LoH/LL (& Reduce mana) on gear.

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generalmx wrote:

Balance is another subject -- how easy do you think it is to run NO Auras? Excluding excellently-rolled rares / uniques?

Both with Melee and Ranged, I see popular, highly effective builds focusing on one, maybe two skills, adding a billion support gems to them, along with running a billion auras.

I think the game as it is right now draws us to having less skill diversity.

And I'm not saying these builds should necessarily go away, just be more interactive; rather than spam 1-2 skills while running 4+ Auras.

I agree, more interactive auars but balancing this game is going to be a nightmare. It has just too many OP tactics. Crit builds will rule once cut-throat starts its really easy to get 100 + Crit Multiplier + the fact that status effects are linked with crits.

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RandomByte wrote:

I agree, more interactive auars but balancing this game is going to be a nightmare. It has just too many OP tactics. Crit builds will rule once cut-throat starts its really easy to get 100 + Crit Multiplier + the fact that status effects are linked with crits.

I agree -- asking for a few +10%, -10% here and there won't mean very much when everything can change down the road. Which is why I basically said, "This is boring and unbalanced/required at the moment -- let's make sure it's fun no matter how it's balanced."

I'm all for balancing, and do think the Auras shouldn't be as powerful as they are, but in a Beta, there's a big priority difference between "some balance needed" and "this is too boring for how much it's emphasized." Beta is the perfect time to experiment with different mechanics, no matter how much a relatively few people whine when their beloved mechanic goes away because most people disliked it (such as multilogging).

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mrmisterwaa wrote:

^This.

The problem is that Auras give casters the ability to stack as many as they want without any negative effects.

Players who chose to go Melee CANNOT stack that many auras.

Something needs to be done about it.

Maybe you shouldn't have gone with Blood Magic keystone.

Again, my initial suggestion to "fix" this is to make the Blood Magic gem prevent you from using more than 1 aura (or maybe no aura at all)

If someone uses 4-6 auras, then he NECESSARELY uses a BM support gem. Why? Well he need almost ALL his mana to run all those auras. Unless his skill uses like 10-20 mana he HAS to take the cost of it out of his life. Nobody has skills that have so little mana. If so then they have shitty DPS and can't go on (thus not viable). Thus they need the BM gem to do so

Thus "nerf" the BM gem, and solve the issue..
...unless I'm missing something :P