[3.10] Stay Back! A Knockingback LL MIner build - Ball Lightning - 7k ES - huge dps

INTRO

I’m back since a few months, and trying a build regarding mines this time. Always loved them and played traps/mins sinc February 2013!
As i'm busy irl (despite the quarantine, luckily I can still work from home), I'm progressing quite slowl, but this build deserve a try and it’s fun to lay, if you like mines and a lot of damage!

BUILD DESCRIPTION

This build is a crit miner build which will reach the maximum potential when going Low Life. Using Ball Lightning as the main spell coupled with slow projectile for the best dps output, the build can easily adapted to any other elemental spells.
A drowback of being Low Life si that two expensive uniques are required:

Shavronne Wrappings

Presence of Chayula

Trying to make things as cheaper as possible, I’m taking the idea from other build i’ve seen around (like for example [3.9] Durimon's Ball Lightning Miner, Cheap Start to One-Shotting T16 Meta-Bosses ) and designed this build to take advance of elemental conversion to drastically increased the dps. Without dropping survivability, of course.


Damage Conversion


I guess that the elmental conversion deserves a separate topic
You can turn this build to any spell gem, using the gear as following:

For Lightning Spells
  • Pyre
  • Call of the Brotherhood
  • Avatar of Fire


For Cold Spells
  • Pyre
  • Avatar of Fire


For Physical Spells
  • Hrimburn
  • Pyre
  • Avatar of Fire


The above are examples if you want to turn this build (and you can easily do this) to other spells.
Consider the conversion path (exception, like Hrimburn, excluded):
Physical -> Lightning -> Cold -> Fire

The less step you make, the mor strict you must be on your gear (expecially wand and shield). What I mean is that if you pick a Fire spell, all your stats must be fire-related.

My build is focused on Ball Lightning, and I strongly suggest you to use this spell gem as well.




Elemental conversion means that
  • Any elemental damage increase your dps
  • We don’t need the costly “gain x% of elemental damage as chaos damage” to reach high dps
  • Except for the chest and ammy, other gear pieaces are very affordable



Survability is achieved with
  • over 7k ES easily reachble
  • over 700 ES regen/sec (ascendancy+Zealot's Oath)
  • Blinded enemies (ascendancy)
  • 10% reduced damage from blind enemies (ascendancy)
  • Knockback: keeping away hard hitting mobs (jewels)
  • Chilled enemies (Skitterbots)


New cluster jewels offer a lot of damage and Energy shield and are still quite cheap.



Right now I cannot afford any of the above uniques, so I’m playing an hybrid Life/ES version of the tree, but still focusing a lot on ES nodes, so i’won’t respec more than 6-8 nodes and saving currency to upgrade my gear.



Build Mechanics

Now let's go in deep to the core of build and check out it works and how effective it is and why we choose ball lightning, knockback and the support we use:

Ball Lightning mechanics, DPS and Knockback


I've choosed Ball lightning simply because it's a strong spell: it repeatedly hit the enemy, the slowest it goes the most effective it is.

Using it with trap/mins, it doesn't suffer from the 150ms cooldown, so we can use the "shotgun" effect of multiple mines

So it's quite easy to identify the best support gems:
- Blastchain mines and Minefield: we are miners!
- Slower projectile: we want to increase the hit/cast of each ball

Now consider this set of gems :
  • Hypothermia: 39% more damage against chilled
  • Innervate: doesn't work with mine/trap/totem
  • Combustion: 29% more fire dmg +6 -19% fire res


Combustion is by far a great boost of dps, and it's maximized if coupled with avater of fire.

The last link is Trap and Mine damage, unless you get an Awekened Added lightning damage!

Regarding the dps output, considering the mechanic of Ball Lightning, check this excel sheet which provides the correct calculation of the dps of a single ball: with 30%increased aoe from ascendancy and 49% less projectile speed, considering an humaoin enemy, it'll be hit 13 times!

So, if you place 25 mines, each mine casting a ball hitting the enemy 13 times, we can say that the dps output is:
YOur tooltip dps * 13 * 25

But we have also Knockback!

Consider a straight line between you (A) and your enemy (B).

A - - - B

Knockback will knocback the enemy far from you along this ideal line between you and him, resulting in something like this:

A - - - - - B

This is actually more space where a single Ball Lightning can hit the enemy resulting in more hit/cast and higher efficiency of the spell!





STATS

  • Can easily reach over 6.5k ES, or 8kES if you drop a few dps nodes
  • 100k Average hit from Ball Lightning (Shaper DPS)
  • Knockback (as much as you can)
  • Gear and jewels can be easily crafted or bought (not expensive)

POB Link: Lvl 86 hybrid HP-ES Cheap Gear

This is the current gear and build I’m using. Droped Tremor Rod for Wand+Shield. 6.6k mixed ES and Hp, already switched to Avatar of Fire with Pyre and Call of the Brotherhooed.
Just started mapping and performing well

https://pastebin.com/7uwv3EiH


POB Link Low Life

Now the build as it should look like once you gather all the gear and go LL. This version uses a shield, but you can easily go dual wield for more damage
The output of this link are with my actual gear with just adding Shavronne's Wrapping and Presence of Chayula. Gear can totally be upgraded.

https://pastebin.com/Z67u8j0B


BANDITS

Allira is the way to go

PANTHEON

Soul of Lunaris / Solaris
Soul of Shakari

ASCENDANCY

In order of importance:
  • Bomb Specialist
  • Pyromaniac
  • Explosive Expert (we have skitterbots and we ignite a lot)
  • Born in the Shadows (Blind, damage, defense)


GEM SETUP


Body Armor
Ball Lightning – Blastchain Mine – Slower Projectile - Trap and Mine Damage - Minefield - Combustion

Weapon 1
Flame Dash - Faster Casting - Arcane Surge (Level 7)

Helmet
Enlighten – Blood magic - Discipline – Herald of Ash

Gloves
Storm Brand -- Curse on Hit - Flammability - Vaal Righteous Fire

Weapon 2
Zealotry – Precision – Summon Skitterbots

Boots
Cast when damage taken (Level 1) – Wave of Conviction - Knockback - Summon Ice golem (Max Level)

GEAR


Weapon
You have a lot of choice here. Tremor Rodi s a cheap 5L to start with. Then you can upgrade to wand + shield or dual wielding.
Check the following stats on rare gear (avoid any projectile speed):

  • Add x to y fire/cold/lightning damage to spell
  • Spell/mine damage
  • Spell crit multi
  • Spell crit chance
  • ES if using shield
  • +1 to all Lightning gems would be the best mod


Rest of Rare Gear
Focus on overcapp your ele resistance
Energy Shield as much as you can
Dexterity/Strenght when need
And Chaos resistance is always welcome

Jewels
Knockback as much as you can. It can really save your life! Moreover knockback increase the efficacy of each Ball Lightning: knocking back
X% increased energy shield
Spell/mine/elemental damage

Cluster Jewels
Just remember that the less the number of small nodes, the better it is
  • For Large Cluster Jewel buy a lightning one with Snowstorm, Overshock/Paralisys and an additional jewel socket (8 nodes is the best)
  • For Medium Cluster go for a mine damage with Expert Sabotage, Surprise Sabotage and an additional jewel socket
  • For Small Cluster go for any Energy shield one. Bests are with Stalwart Commander/Energy From NAught



VIDEOS

T16 Corrupted Carcass + Constrictor
https://youtu.be/iYGD8Qehzlg


END

Will try to improve this post and the whole build.
Don't hesitate to leave your comments (constructive ones, hopefully) and suggestions!
Last edited by SongokuSSj5 on Apr 5, 2020, 3:01:34 PM
Last bumped on Apr 5, 2020, 4:20:12 PM
Hello!
i was considering coming back playing POE and would love to try this build.
But as you say, some items are very expensive. is there a way to avaoid spending that much for gear?
Looks interesting but how are you fully converting your lightning to Fire? I counted 50% from Avatar and another 40% to cold to fire, so you are losing 10% damage?


Also I'm not sure you should have checked +50% extra damage from Shock, when you deal no lightning damage lol.

Same for wave of conviction + cwdt, is a short range spell and not consistent at all.
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Hello!
i was considering coming back playing POE and would love to try this build.
But as you say, some items are very expensive. is there a way to avaoid spending that much for gear?



Hey there what a nice nickname!!!

OK don't be scared of gear.
I actually cannot afford the LL gear (and ES gear is always the most expensive).
I've just improved a bit the guide, adding 2 better worked link of PoB.
The first one is my actual gear at lvl86. the gear costed me around 50chaos (luckly i dropped the Belly of the Beast and helmet i'm currently using).
50chaos is nothing, just do the chaos recipe

Consider that one of the greatest defense of this build is the dps from the mechanic of Ball Lightning + the knockback we add

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omniocean wrote:
Looks interesting but how are you fully converting your lightning to Fire? I counted 50% from Avatar and another 40% to cold to fire, so you are losing 10% damage?


Also I'm not sure you should have checked +50% extra damage from Shock, when you deal no lightning damage lol.

Same for wave of conviction + cwdt, is a short range spell and not consistent at all.



Hey! Thank you for your message!!
I've to admit that I'm improving the guide day by day, also thanks to messages from community!
I've added a small consideration in the beginning of the guide regarding conversion, that may be useful.


More over consider this set of gems :
  • Hypothermia: 39% more damage against chilled
  • Innervate: doesn't work with mine/trap/totem
  • Combustion: 29% more fire dmg +6 -19% fire res


As you can see, Combustion is a great boost of dps, and it's maximized if coupled with avater of fire.
The 10% of damage "lost" in the conversion process, is overcompensated with Comustion.
ANd consider you can reach 98% conversion if you use Catalyst to your ring ;)


Skitterbots grants permanent chill and shock to your enemies, so i don't get why not count it :)


I found an excellent combination between CWDT + Wave of Conviction + Knockback.
Boost of fire exposure if consinstent, if you prefer you can totem your Wave of Conviction


I've added a few new sections to the build, expalining in deepth a few mechanics. Hope they help!
Sounds interesting, will come back to this topic to look at your progress. I know durimon's build, did that last league but I found it lacking in certain areas and it became extremely expensive to min max towards endgame.

So I went for the normal low life ball lightning version. Don't get me wrong,the fire conversion easily melted everything up to T15 maps, but when going for endgame, shaper,elder,uber elder,uber atziri,delve and such, it became unreliable,it felt too brittle and min maxing it was a lot more expensive than I initially thought.

Shavronne and chayula are expensive at every league start, but once you grind a bit or get lucky with some currency,that pretty much covers it.

Also honestly the wave of conviction is kind of meh, many times you find yourself in the situation of automatically firing the wave onto nothing,while the enemies keep hitting you from another direction.

Last edited by Nosferat on Mar 28, 2020, 7:03:01 AM
7th gem if I'm using a 6L Tremor?
What about Swift Assembly instead Minefield?
Minefield feels clunky to me.

PS: a gameplay video is highly needed
PoE and cats natural attraction v.2: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2331585
Last edited by FedeS on Mar 28, 2020, 10:11:25 PM
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Nosferat wrote:
Sounds interesting, will come back to this topic to look at your progress. I know durimon's build, did that last league but I found it lacking in certain areas and it became extremely expensive to min max towards endgame.

So I went for the normal low life ball lightning version. Don't get me wrong,the fire conversion easily melted everything up to T15 maps, but when going for endgame, shaper,elder,uber elder,uber atziri,delve and such, it became unreliable,it felt too brittle and min maxing it was a lot more expensive than I initially thought.

Shavronne and chayula are expensive at every league start, but once you grind a bit or get lucky with some currency,that pretty much covers it.

Also honestly the wave of conviction is kind of meh, many times you find yourself in the situation of automatically firing the wave onto nothing,while the enemies keep hitting you from another direction.



Thank you mate!

regarding my progress, first "problem" is in particuar corrupted red maps and Al-Hezmin (The Hunter) influenced area.
Chaos damage is killing my 2k HP without any problem.
FOr this reason i was forced to buy Shavrone.

Unfortunately i got scammed. You know is a particular perdiod, especially here in Italy. We are quarantined and looking our colleagues and friends getting infected day by day, and dying. we are not lucid.
This guys publiced a 6l shavronne, and traded me a 4l 2l shavronne.
I was so stupid i didn't checked.
Actually never happen to meet a prep in this game..and so i wasted all my hard earned currency. and considering to give up.

You know. situation outside is hard. situation inside houses is though. we play to have some fun and distraction. Pandemic is hard by itself..and people sometimes contributes to make things harder.
Let's talk clearly, it's a game, no worries. but i played 4 intense week to get currency for the stuff i need.

But i'm the only idiot here.

Luckly i got it 5l with 3 fuse..and can progress further..but losed the magic.

Regarding the progress..i'm just getting together the remaining gear pieces. but with shavrone is defenetively better. and it's a must

Wave of conviction is ok to me, but as i said you can selfcast with no problems, or totem it! (like we used to do with wither totem)

I still have to get used to the new gear, will probably update the guide later this week




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FedeS wrote:
7th gem if I'm using a 6L Tremor?
What about Swift Assembly instead Minefield?
Minefield feels clunky to me.

PS: a gameplay video is highly needed



Hello! i've just bought the gear i needed, i'll probably make a video sooner.

6l Tremor? use Immolate or an Awekened gem if possible (like A added lightning, or A fire pen or A Added cold)


Swift assembly, i've tried it. takes 4second to drop 21 mine.
Minefield take 3,8 sec to drop 25 mines..
Prefer MInefield :)
Last edited by SongokuSSj5 on Mar 29, 2020, 1:26:30 PM
It seems significantly more efficient to be using Thunderstruck cluster jewel node to achieve this. Probably with Supercharge as the second roll.

Thunderstruck
20% increased Lightning Damage
Your Critical Strikes Knock Back Shocked Enemies
30% increased Critical Strike Chance

Supercharge
Lightning Damage with Non-Critical Strikes is Lucky
Last edited by rawriorr on Mar 31, 2020, 5:02:10 PM

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