Anyone else getting tired of the Atlas shuffle?

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But I also bet no one is looking forward to having to get all those watchstones again.

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

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Deathfairy wrote:

1) you lost your bet because i very much looking forward to progressing through atlas.
2) Map reshuffle was one of the best things they introduced imho
3) i dont get the whole stuck/grind complain.
Nothing magically changes at 32 watchstones. In fact i am planning to stop at 19 for a while. You have access to red maps after 2 watchstones, just 2. The game does not start after you completed your atlas, arguably for some it ends there. If you are not enjoying the way there what makes you think you will enjoy it after 32 stones?

There was never a bet.
That's fine that you like it.
This is your first league to 40 (from what I saw). You've clearly enjoyed metamorph more than previous leagues. And based on your previous leagues, clearly the repetition gets old in leagues you enjoy less.

Since I've done that atlas twice already, I'm aware of the rng factor that goes into completing it. Because of the way unlocking watchstones works, it has a drastic effect on map drops - it's not as simple as socket 3 and red maps you go.

Having all 32 means you do not have to take into account colors when popping conquerors, so you can place them wherever you choose. Before that, you have to be mindful of what stones you need where, otherwise waste the pop. Given the rng to get said pop, that drags things out a lot.

Two watchstones doesn't get you access to red maps - 4 socketed in a single zone means you'll still get white/yellow maps almost exclusively despite running t14-16. Inversely, on A8, you will not get anything lower than t14 unless its from a very specific type of drop - even cartographer's boxes will fail to drop a map.

The atlas can still be "shaped" with watchstones, but in terms of dictating tiers and regions no longer specific maps.

I also completed atlas almost twice, second time on ssf HC i just don't have any anymore characters there for well obvious reason :)

I am aware of how atlas works thank you, this was just a point that you not blocked by watchstones or conq progression. The basic point you missed is that i ENJOY progressing and playing maps before 32/32. You seem to start enjoying the game after 32/32, which i find hard to grasp since nothing magical happens when you get 32/32.

I bought a couple of map tabs for the old atlas map reshuffle. So I didn't mind the atlas reshuffle every few leagues. When GGG started reshuffling atlas maps every league it was terrible. It was infuriating. It was bad. GGG has fixed those issues and I don't really mind the maps being reshuffled every league anymore.

The watchstones search was not fun this league for me. I stopped playing PoE a week or two ago because it became such a bore. I'm likely going to play standard more now because of it. If GGG erases watchstones in standard each league then I'll probably play other games most of the time instead of playing PoE almost exclusively.

Definetly.

Selling maps is so annoying - just as i learn what tier what map is, it gets changed.

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Deathfairy wrote:

I also completed atlas almost twice, second time on ssf HC i just don't have any anymore characters there for well obvious reason :)

I am aware of how atlas works thank you, this was just a point that you not blocked by watchstones or conq progression. The basic point you missed is that i ENJOY progressing and playing maps before 32/32. You seem to start enjoying the game after 32/32, which i find hard to grasp since nothing magical happens when you get 32/32.

Ok - you took that bet thing a little to literal. Given that there are people that race to 100 every league, there are bound to be outliers.

But I don't think you understand how the atlas works, or at least what I'm referring to.

It's not like the old atlas with static tiers, since the watchstones dictate the actual tiers and thus what maps can drop. Also pretty sure the reason people aren't finding the usual map chests rewarding ( latest manifesto) is because of how the system is interacting with the new atlas.

Those watchstones dictate a lot, its not like you just run maps and build up a pool and move to the next tier (or buy maps). I was able to finish my 1500 map bosses running mostly twinned tier 4 crystal ores at a6 or a7.
I ran them a6 because I had a stone in trying to get more burial chambers, but those drops were so unlikely I finally accepted it was just better to block that region out too and it was like an old shaped atlas and I was able to sustain a single target map.

But again, for those of us who play standard, we do so because we either don't have time or have no desire to restart anymore. It's not that there's a dislike for progression, but that progress is generally something like working towards a headhunter or other big ticket item we wouldn't be able to net in a single league.

And there's also the part where you can run t14-t16 with watchstones and maps unlocked and only see low tier (like 1-5 low) drops in those high tier maps.

What i missed is how anything you wrote is relevant or conflicts with what i said. Or what was the point you tried to make.

.s. did you really just complain about map sustain in last lague?

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Deathfairy wrote:

What i missed is how anything you wrote is relevant or conflicts with what i said. Or what was the point you tried to make.

.s. did you really just complain about map sustain in last lague?

Like I said, you don't even understand what was said.

And no I didn't complain about sustain in this league - and everyone knows that high tier map sustain was expensive pre 3.9, which is why maps that went for 20c are now 5c.

What I wrote and what you interpreted seem to be completely different.

I wasn't one of those folks complaining about getting stuck completing the atlas if I completed all 32 watchstones twice. But in doing so I saw issues that did not occur in the previous atlas versions that were distinctly caused by the new overhaul.

Standard players that actually play in standard do so so they dont get reset every 3 months. Yet it looks like that's exactly what they're doing, only now we have to grind out the stones again despite having previously unlocked them.

In league that always happens, so those that participate do so willingly or begrudingly.

In standard we're not supposed to have to redo what we've already completed.

I also started when war of the atlas was the thing, at it was reliable for at least 2-3 leagues which meant not having to convert maps to the new league every time and all the other hassles.

When they started shuffling the atlas, they'd let us retain most of our completion by completing a high tiered rare corrupted from a previous league, so we were reset, but not from scratch.

Now we get reset basically to the beginning. If we wanted that, we'd just stick to league...

But, some of us like to enjoy our gains from league's past - that shouldn't be that hard to process.

1) you are right i guess i did not quite finsh your post to understand that what you actually complain about has nothing to do with title.
2) I dont give a damn about standard, game is not designed around it.
3) you recomplete all maps by doing 1 t16 so that is not an issue.
4) there is no reason you should lose your watchstones in standard. But i have yet to see hard support that this will be the case, considering how they handle map completion.

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Deathfairy wrote:

1) you are right i guess i did not quite finsh your post to understand that what you actually complain about has nothing to do with title.
2) I dont give a damn about standard, game is not designed around it.
3) you recomplete all maps by doing 1 t16 so that is not an issue.
4) there is no reason you should lose your watchstones in standard. But i have yet to see hard support that this will be the case, considering how they handle map completion.

The second line in my original post literally specifies standard and acknowledges that atlas resets every league so its not exactly an issue there since you have to complete it from scratch anyway.

I don't care about you caring about standard, but you chose to reply to a thread about standard.... (because that's where the atlas shuffle is particularly a pain)

One t16 does not complete a standard atlas, that's not how it works otherwise you'd know why this is an issue for standard players.

The atlas manifesto made no mention of keeping watchstones. I lost my original doryani and perandus completion when they decided to start rotating standard. I had to buy one in league just to save for the next reset and am undecided if I want to spend a few ex just to complete dory again.

That is exactly how ggg said it will work. At very least this league i saw in one of their posts. If that is not how it works this league it is a bug, so you can go report on a bug forum.

So you didnt see any mention but you assumed you would loose them. Mmmk.