Guild Wars, Wolcen, And How GGG Can Learn From It

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Fruz wrote:
I don't like what Wolcen did there, if you find a way to add an immersive element that makes you think that something is coming, then fine.

If you need to add an artifical obvious marker that is immersion breaking ( as it is yelling to you "this is not part of the game's 'universe', this is an extra layer obviously added for gameplay reason", then there is a problem already.


Check the primordial block boss' attack .. there is a wind up, and a clear floor marker, but it isn't a stupid red square purely added there for gameplay purposes, it's part of the skill, it's immersive, it makes sense.


That's why I used Tukohama and Kitava as examples of visual markers already being applied for their more powerful attacks. There are ways to put down visual markers of a huge hit coming that doesn't look like it shouldn't be there.

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Fruz wrote:
The only think that GGG needs is to take a step back, realize the mess that the game has become and do something about it, and everything leads to think that this is just not going to happen unfortunately.


And if GGG is unable or unwilling to do something about the visual clutter making it difficult to see enemy attacks, then the other solution is to work with the current mess by making it clear they're about to drop a nuke on your face so you can dodge it. :P
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Pizzarugi wrote:
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Fruz wrote:
The only think that GGG needs is to take a step back, realize the mess that the game has become and do something about it, and everything leads to think that this is just not going to happen unfortunately.


And if GGG is unable or unwilling to do something about the visual clutter making it difficult to see enemy attacks, then the other solution is to work with the current mess by making it clear they're about to drop a nuke on your face so you can dodge it. :P

I agree, but this eventually leads to escalation and more clutter :(

This effect is super deadly bu wait we just added another even deadlier effect, so let's make it even more obvious, etc ...



But making deadly effects well telegraphed is definitely needed, badly.
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Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Feb 25, 2020, 9:44:54 PM
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CueNoLife wrote:
Wocel Out...

Kitava gives you enough time to react on the "X" attack... And if you take any amount of time to learn a mechanic, you don't need these hand-hold features. If POE isn't for you, just say that. The game is fine, except for maybe some of the performance issues due to some particle effects from certain items (GORE... I'm looking at you), but other than some performance issues I find astounding, the gameplay is fine. Getting 1 shot? Learn the mechanic. Feel like you can't avoid a mechanic? Exaplin how level 100s happen in HC... Doubt they grind Blood Aqueducts to 100... PepegaPhone



getting oneshot? just git gud hurrdurr
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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:
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CueNoLife wrote:
Wocel Out...

Kitava gives you enough time to react on the "X" attack... And if you take any amount of time to learn a mechanic, you don't need these hand-hold features. If POE isn't for you, just say that. The game is fine, except for maybe some of the performance issues due to some particle effects from certain items (GORE... I'm looking at you), but other than some performance issues I find astounding, the gameplay is fine. Getting 1 shot? Learn the mechanic. Feel like you can't avoid a mechanic? Exaplin how level 100s happen in HC... Doubt they grind Blood Aqueducts to 100... PepegaPhone



getting oneshot? just git gud hurrdurr


Just don't die 5head.
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For everyone saying, "But the voice lines tell you when an attack is going to happen."

There are certain people that are deaf. I know, crazy right? People that can't hear or are half deaf? Absurd! Visual queues are needed more than voice queues.
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puppetlife13 wrote:
For everyone saying, "But the voice lines tell you when an attack is going to happen."

There are certain people that are deaf. I know, crazy right? People that can't hear or are half deaf? Absurd! Visual queues are needed more than voice queues.


there is animation, but instead of half a second you have .1 second :)

I guess deaf people have to play Divine Flesh Jugg to not give a crap about the incoming dmg.
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Last edited by Marxone#0650 on Feb 28, 2020, 4:50:52 AM
rory mentioned this, i believe in a podcast with ziggy and zeno way back, it was one of his appearances in the community at any rate.

he basically said you hope you can communicate a telegraph in a way that gets the message across to the player without it being, and i forget the term he used, but essentially without it being as crude as simply drawing a damage shape on the ground you dont stand in.




poe has issues with clutter and the speed of engagements that make proper telegraphs really difficult atm. telegraphs are part of gameplay and really what gameplay is left at this point outside of some gated uber boss encounters?

player enters room, there are 45 monsters in the room. in under 2 seconds either every monster will be dead, the player will be dead or the player will have logged out, during that blink of an eye the entire screen will be a complete mess of indistinguishable bullshit. thats 99% of this game right now. how do you fit some kind of meaningful telegraph/avoid mechanic in that situation?
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