New Balance manifesto TL;DR Get rekt some more Melee!

What Melee Players Claim to Want
"We just want a DAMN NICHE! Melee should be so much harder to kill/better at killing bosses than stupid ranged builds! It's ridiculous how every single thing in the game is stacked against my melee build! Can I please just get them to rework melee again so that we can be harder to kill or better at killing bosses than ranged builds?"

What Melee Players ACTUALLY Want
"WHY THE HELL CAN'T MY 3L HEAVY STRIKE IN A BLUE SAI ONESHOT GUARDIANS?! DAMNIT I STOOD IN THE SHAPER BEAM AND DIED - THAT'S BULLSHIT! MELEE BUILDS SHOULD BE LITERALLY UNKILLABLE AND ABLE TO ONESHOT EVERYTHING IN THE GAME, AND WHEN YOU ONESHOT A CRITTER AT ONE END OF A PACK EVERY OTHER CRITTER IN THE PACK SHOULD SPONTANEOUSLY EXPLODE FROM THE SHEER BULGING MUSCLE OF MY AMAZEBALLS AWESOME 3L BUILD IN A BLUE SAI! MELEE ISN'T DECISIVELY BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER PLAYSTYLE IN THE GAME AT EVERY SINGLE THING THE GAME COULD POSSIBLY DO, THEREFORE THIS GAME IS BULLSHIT!"

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...seriously. At this point? Fuck melee skills. Fuck melee players. I am so unbelievably sick unto death and beyond of the same batch of idiots whining the same damn thing every single damn league because they think they're entitled to free boss kills and can find a way to twist any change Grinding Gear makes to anything, EVER, into "yet more melee hate."

Fuck it. Fuck it like Senator Armstrong handing a robot ninja his ass.
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Last edited by 1453R#7804 on Dec 10, 2019, 3:33:20 PM
^ that about sums it up
^ no it doesn't, though the manifesto has fuck all to do with melee :p losing 7l on 2h is an itemization nerf but it probably won't be once we see the new items available.

I'm looking forward to what they do with PoE 2 as melee problems are really to do with the game balance rather than melee skills specifically. The Get Rekt melee has just kinda become a meme to spam at patch time now.

However GGG do encourage that mindset, i'll be surprised if the bow tweaks aren't far more straightforward than the melee ones.
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Autopsyzzz wrote:

edit : go to poeninja, blight SSF HC
remove necros, sabos, guardian, cyclone and raise spectre and zombs for clarity.

His melee is not for HC. Just check his defences. DPS is not strong comparing to top SC builds.
Just look at this:
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and compare with
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Just evasion based softcore crap. 4M DPS of Molten Strike for SC is nothing. With same investments you could obtain 10-15M on meta builds like mines or minions.
Last edited by cursorTarget#1174 on Dec 10, 2019, 4:40:28 PM
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Draegnarrr wrote:
I'm looking forward to what they do with PoE 2 as melee problems are really to do with the game balance rather than melee skills specifically. The Get Rekt melee has just kinda become a meme to spam at patch time now.

However GGG do encourage that mindset, i'll be surprised if the bow tweaks aren't far more straightforward than the melee ones.


ya i agree with everything i quoted here.
its funny to hear ppl whine about melee as though it doesn't have enough damage and thats what the fundamentally wrong with it. haha. hilarious
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1453R wrote:
What Melee Players Claim to Want
"We just want a DAMN NICHE! Melee should be so much harder to kill/better at killing bosses than stupid ranged builds! It's ridiculous how every single thing in the game is stacked against my melee build! Can I please just get them to rework melee again so that we can be harder to kill or better at killing bosses than ranged builds?"

What Melee Players ACTUALLY Want
"WHY THE HELL CAN'T MY 3L HEAVY STRIKE IN A BLUE SAI ONESHOT GUARDIANS?! DAMNIT I STOOD IN THE SHAPER BEAM AND DIED - THAT'S BULLSHIT! MELEE BUILDS SHOULD BE LITERALLY UNKILLABLE AND ABLE TO ONESHOT EVERYTHING IN THE GAME, AND WHEN YOU ONESHOT A CRITTER AT ONE END OF A PACK EVERY OTHER CRITTER IN THE PACK SHOULD SPONTANEOUSLY EXPLODE FROM THE SHEER BULGING MUSCLE OF MY AMAZEBALLS AWESOME 3L BUILD IN A BLUE SAI! MELEE ISN'T DECISIVELY BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER PLAYSTYLE IN THE GAME AT EVERY SINGLE THING THE GAME COULD POSSIBLY DO, THEREFORE THIS GAME IS BULLSHIT!"

.
..
...seriously. At this point? Fuck melee skills. Fuck melee players. I am so unbelievably sick unto death and beyond of the same batch of idiots whining the same damn thing every single damn league because they think they're entitled to free boss kills and can find a way to twist any change Grinding Gear makes to anything, EVER, into "yet more melee hate."

Fuck it. Fuck it like Senator Armstrong handing a robot ninja his ass.



Why do you care though? Why do you care that some dude that you don't know is playing some build that you don't care about in this primarily solo player pve dungeon crawler? You're in all caps and foaming at the mouth because some random wants to have some fun in their solo player experience. Holy unnecessary vitriol. Get some help buddy.
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nGio wrote:


Why do you care though? Why do you care that some dude that you don't know is playing some build that you don't care about in this primarily solo player pve dungeon crawler? You're in all caps and foaming at the mouth because some random wants to have some fun in their solo player experience. Holy unnecessary vitriol. Get some help buddy.


Lol, welcome to teh internetz. That's called spicing up the writing. He's most likely super calm typing that with a smile.
Need a new signature, cuz name change. I dunno though. I guess this seems fine. Yeah, this is good.
Melee actually has lower damage overall because:

1. You have limited AoE
2. You have to build defences sacrificing the damage because you have to be at close range to your target
3. You have higher exposure time by the enemy and limited margin to make right decision comparing to ranged units. For example - Phoenix. It makes melee more vulnerable than Scourge Arrow boss carry.

Basically, sacrificing the range that gives you flexibility you're getting more tankiness but actually you lose in range AND DPS to survive. I am talking about HC (not SCrapcore). This is why casters or ranged builds outplay melee. Melee is only good when you invest a lot into it or you're just a fanboy (or fanatic like me). But you could invest in meta build and get much more stronger character with the same amount of currency.

Instead of capping phys dmg reduction they nerfed Fortify for everyone who uses it, especially in the boss league with buffed monsters. I hope GGG will provide something to mitigate increased damage of the bosses. Or it'll be a deathfest for HC players with a lot of QQing on reddit.
Last edited by cursorTarget#1174 on Dec 10, 2019, 4:56:27 PM
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nGio wrote:

Why do you care though? Why do you care that some dude that you don't know is playing some build that you don't care about in this primarily solo player pve dungeon crawler? You're in all caps and foaming at the mouth because some random wants to have some fun in their solo player experience. Holy unnecessary vitriol. Get some help buddy.


In part, Blood's got it. That's just how I write. I'm occasionally bored at work, and shitposting is better than staring at the ceiling.

In part? I'm fed up with the front page of the forum always being stuffed to bursting with negative-nancy naysayers who assume Grinding Gear is the actual factual Evil League of Evil, Path of Exile is a five years ongoing dumpster fire that nobody likes and which is always on the verge of exploding into failure, and everything Grinding Gear does is exactly the opposite of what they should do because MELEE BALANCE RNG BOTTING STREAMERS DIABLO TRADE BERFS NUFFS PANINI JEHOSEPHAT.

It's exhausting, it chokes out any actually worthwhile conversations someone might want to have, and frankly it's just embarrassing to look at. It's the primary reason I don't really hang around the forums much anymore - too many salty dickwaffles complaining incessantly about anything and everything because they can't possibly conceive of doing anything else.

Melee is fine.

Balance is more or less okay - turns out that sinking massive currency into a build means massive deeps, who knew?

Botting isn't going to destroy PoE, it's not even an issue for normal use cases.

Streamers gonna stream, watching them is pointless, Grinding Gear at worst uses them as a window to what the general playerbase is doing since half the (forum) playerbase never plays anything a streamer didn't build for them anyways. Balance decisions are not based on streamers.

Fuck Diablo.

Trade has been talked to death, it's not going to change before PoE 2, and even then I don't know what they can really do about it.

Berfs and nuffs are just part of live-service gaming. If things don't change the game gets stale, if the game is stale nobody plays it. Deal.

I wanna panini. I'm hungry.

Jumpin' Jiminy Jehosephat, forum userbase. Chill. The. Fuck. Out.
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1453R wrote:
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nGio wrote:

Why do you care though? Why do you care that some dude that you don't know is playing some build that you don't care about in this primarily solo player pve dungeon crawler? You're in all caps and foaming at the mouth because some random wants to have some fun in their solo player experience. Holy unnecessary vitriol. Get some help buddy.


In part, Blood's got it. That's just how I write. I'm occasionally bored at work, and shitposting is better than staring at the ceiling.

In part? I'm fed up with the front page of the forum always being stuffed to bursting with negative-nancy naysayers who assume Grinding Gear is the actual factual Evil League of Evil, Path of Exile is a five years ongoing dumpster fire that nobody likes and which is always on the verge of exploding into failure, and everything Grinding Gear does is exactly the opposite of what they should do because MELEE BALANCE RNG BOTTING STREAMERS DIABLO TRADE BERFS NUFFS PANINI JEHOSEPHAT.

It's exhausting, it chokes out any actually worthwhile conversations someone might want to have, and frankly it's just embarrassing to look at. It's the primary reason I don't really hang around the forums much anymore - too many salty dickwaffles complaining incessantly about anything and everything because they can't possibly conceive of doing anything else.

Melee is fine.

Balance is more or less okay - turns out that sinking massive currency into a build means massive deeps, who knew?

Botting isn't going to destroy PoE, it's not even an issue for normal use cases.

Streamers gonna stream, watching them is pointless, Grinding Gear at worst uses them as a window to what the general playerbase is doing since half the (forum) playerbase never plays anything a streamer didn't build for them anyways. Balance decisions are not based on streamers.

Fuck Diablo.

Trade has been talked to death, it's not going to change before PoE 2, and even then I don't know what they can really do about it.

Berfs and nuffs are just part of live-service gaming. If things don't change the game gets stale, if the game is stale nobody plays it. Deal.

I wanna panini. I'm hungry.

Jumpin' Jiminy Jehosephat, forum userbase. Chill. The. Fuck. Out.


I read your entire post, and all I want to say about is... I kinda want a panini as well.

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