Ban auto trading bots? / Report section in Forum?
" Yes correct ;) "You've found a player that can be suspected of being a bot" for the rest of the speech, it is almost certainly so. you want to eliminate bots, increase the drop rate ... then, however, the game is dwarfed by too many drops .. at the end it is better to tolerate some bots XD |
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" That thesis is actually incorrect. If you increase drop rates, it will just add inflation to the whole process. If you want to restrict trading bots, disable trading :) If you want to restrict farming bots, restrict zone restart. Sarns farming for exalt cards is basically made for bots by the GGG side. Having bots with 10 minute wait time for zone restart would be much less convenient for farm bots. I represent only myself, my own thought and believes. I am individual, not a representative of the community.
I am not speaking on behalf of someone else and I don't get offended by things that have nothing to do with me. 3.13 was the golden age. |
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i think just make it a feature, give everyone an npc in their hideout that makes the standard buyout trades for you.
I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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We sure accept your point of view protecting GGG as supporter but if you have no idea about IT or development culture please dont make false assumptions!
" Excuse me to pop your bubble, but in case you have some personal age: did you play browsergames back in the 2k - 2k5? Arround that time small developer, were able to auto detect malicious behaviour and ban ToS breach like botting or bug abusing... You actualy expect that almost 15years later some developer with 1000 times more money to use they can't do that? Sorry man, as IT Specialist I have to tell you that u got not the slightest idea of the state of art! They log everything you do ingame like what you attack, who'm you invited ... most probably the IP addresses as well... the accounts which are used to give those bot accounts the starting currency to make more by runnign the bot ... FFS you actualy think its hard to implement bot detection if they wanted to? I wouldnt be surprised if they run their own bots to make sure players can actualy trade currency despite the masses of fake offers that are not punishable The point is: if they dont want bots they should simply auto ban them by default (behaviour). If they want auto trading they should make it public and "as simply one example how it could be done! " Take your siley with you and go if you dont get the point... It's about same rights for all and not "bots are not to be shitlisted, its against ToS -Removed by Support-" ... *facepalm* ffs |
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" Excuse me but sorry to burst your bubble, much bigger games than path of exile and much better funded developers than GGG do in fact struggle with combating bots, and as you said with your example 15 years later the programming for these bots has become much more complex and hard to identify via their behavior and if you have played path of exile enough you might know that most players in trade for example do not behave much differently from a bot and then when it comes to farming the storyline zones many players especially in early league can tend to farm a zone endlessly to get divination cards and grind exp and this behavior extends well into the endgame for many players who are not proficient with endgame content enough to farm things like uber elder etc. I have more than a slight idea about these things from my experiences in life in other games and the people i have met which i will not go into detail on.. however there is quite a thriving business for these sorts of things and however GGG might fight back successfully or not these individuals will fight just as hard to stay profitable. Could GGG possibly do a better job with combating the bots? Probably but just because something can be done does not mean the correct and most efficient solution presents itself. If you think you are capable of presenting said solution i beleive GGG was hiring programmers recently, go for it :) ^none of this is meant to be rude i absolutely hate botters and i literally spend an hour or two each day hunting and reporting them when i am not particularly busy. You mentioned GGG potentially running bots themselves, Thats very unlikely as its an inefficient way of injecting money into the game or giving out money. If i were to suggest anything to GGG to really hurt these RMT it would be to say screw the whole this game is not pay to win angle and allow people to trade microtransactions to other players for their items, Individuals that do wish to pay to win (and do through the RMT anyway) would then still get their silly items and burn out like they generally do anyway because it removes all meaning obtaining things that way however they would at the very least be giving that money to GGG AND providing people who cannot normally afford things from their store a means to earn those items by farming items. but whatever that's just what i think, If i were in chris wilson's position i probably wouldn't budge an inch on the whole pay to win thing either mostly because of my devotion to my dedicated playerbase who would absolutely lose their minds over something like that, I like rules and i like the whole concept of right and wrong. Innocence forgives you Last edited by SilentSymphony#3358 on Oct 11, 2019, 7:00:25 AM
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" Your argument is circularly and therefore nonsense. It already contains the premise that you have to prove first. Example: Me: GevatterTODdy is guilty and should go to jail. You: But you have to prove first, that I am guilty. Me: If you are really innocent, i wouldn't have send you to jail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning "The master has failed more times than the beginner has even tried." - Stephen McCranie Last edited by juyevon#0958 on Oct 11, 2019, 8:04:48 AM
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Hillarious to participate in forum discussions.. it's like they say: it doesn't matter if you won your discussion, you are still retarded ^^
This gonna be my last post for the thread you can close it due to missing conversiotion from those who could change anything like GGG developer... First of all: " I was obviously mainly talking about trading bots, and you actualy talk about bots that play the game and farm on default behaviour that can also be tracked since the code doesn't change, unless it's an ML bot and adapting to everything (dont think anyone would pay that much for cheating in a game). What i mean and already wrote is: use the game logs identify never ending repeats in actions with same speed, same pattern and you got your scripted actions! EZ fucking PZ!! " that there are a lot of logs local you can read yourself.. Ever done to verify yourself, if they could do somehting about bots? There is logged soo much... some examples: -->2019/10/11 00:53:20 9694338 ac1 [INFO Client 6484] : You have entered Pit of the Chimera. -->2019/10/11 00:43:47 9121128 ac1 [INFO Client 6484] @From <!!SECRET!!>: Hi, I'd like to buy your 25 offering for my 50 chaos in Blight. -->2019/10/11 00:42:56 9070771 ac1 [INFO Client 6484] : <!!SECRET!!> has left the area. Need more examples? Check out your own logs! EZ PZ analyzing logs and punish malicious behaviour! I'm not 100% sure, but you may expect GGG has some more logs on server side! Don't make me a fool, due to your lack of state of art when it comes to IT knowledge! " Sorry man but it's obvious they are in need of good programmers (game stability, server lag (for almost all builds at high end gear [not even talking about grouping, lol])... But in case you didn't read that hiring or assume I'm from New Zealand... I'm not! and they were looking for locals! " Really? Did you even read anything said here or just wrote shit to badmouthing me? Yo admins!! ... censoring work needed for this dude!! Where is my report button for this dude for ToS breach humilating me? " The proving screenshot was deleted by the forum admin... dang got no comments for players like you. Wasn't even worth mentioning it... As I said, last comment this discussion is meaningless with forum admins deleting prove of ToS breach, protecting bots and missing participation from GGG admins in the conversation! Have a nice day. -Closed- |
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" +1 Ban mapping bots, not traders. Only map bots truly fsck the economy. " +100, great idea! Some months back I suggested GGG run trade bots for consumables, but this would be even better. May your maps be bountiful, exile
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" I've known some pretty wealthy people who are too lazy to do a lot of things themselves and throw money around like its a birdfeed in the park, and when it comes to an advanced bot it can be sold by the creator almost indefinitely after created it does not need to be crazily expensive since they can also gate features through tiers of payment and with a recurring subscription which is very common among game cheats as far back as 2005. And there are a variety of bots i have observed over the years some of which can even apparently level through the storyline and even trade. so bot=bot to me though im sure there are dedicated ones for different tasks but to me they are all the same scumbags. " I'm fairly sure they would also take people willing to move to NZ as well, never say never. " He did not say anything report worthy this forum is not for the faint of heart, calm down lol. " Yes player shaming even if that player is a filthy no good cheater is not allowed on the forum and will result in your post being edited and with enough posts like this even infractions upon your forum account.. however you can send an email to Support@grindinggear.com to report cheaters and avoid the entire mess. You CAN talk about a cheater here but you cannot post screenshots showing their name or any other personally identifiable information so screenshots must have all the names blacked out etc. One of the reasons for this is that if somehow the accuser is mistaken that innocent player could end up being harassed or even have false mass reports sent against them which if you think about.. if that were done to you would suck pretty bad huh? " No, A legitimate currency flipper works hard and also provides a valuable service.. Cheating is Cheating and bots in any form = Cheating. Innocence forgives you Last edited by SilentSymphony#3358 on Oct 11, 2019, 5:37:19 PM
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Has someone, by any chance, come across a checkbox saying "I'm not a robot"?
I'm not sure why people can't believe that you CAN detect bots, and there's plenty of easy ways to detect them (Mouse movement, character movement, algorithm prediction, etc.). Companies even have the advantage in this matter, you're telling that "botters would patch in no time", of course they might do it, but showing concern from the developers side and showing there's severe consequences, it will disencourage a lot of people to the point where they might not even bother to try. There will always be that ONE guy, but I feel that today, specially the currency market, feels like swimming in a pool of bots and of course that it hurts the economy and the in-game gameplay, bargain is such a strong element in this game, and making the best deal should depend on your skills to find the best deals. Bots just skip all that time investment and get you a sustancial share without effort, how isn't that punishable? |
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