[3.11]QUEEN OF NECROMANCY - STRONGEST ZOMBIES EVER? 55M+ DPS 7K+ LIFE MAX BLOCK 90% CHAOS RES

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rolandojuantamad wrote:
I decided to try the soul thether, geofry chest, shaper gloves route. But instead of ES from mana watchers eye, i got the phys>elemental while affected by purity of eelements. I then remembered that i was using doryani glorious vanity last league for 20% of hp as ES. I would appreciate you crtiques guys.


In your zombie links, replace Withering Touch with Brutality.

In your Animated Guardian links... what is your Animated Guardian supposed to be doing? Does the "defensive" nature of Meat Shield reduce AG's effectiveness?

Although probably OK... I've no idea how Meat Shield interacts with our spectres. Do they empower/frenzy/cast curses less often when defensive? I suspect that the spectres we typically use (with the possible exception Ruins Hellion) are "defensive" by default; nonetheless, I don't know how Meat Shield affects them.

Quality on Phase Run gives movement speed.

You really don't want convo on CWDT. This is going to pull your zombies out of combat when it procs; moreover you can't manually cast convo when needed - e.g., to pull minions out of a pending explosion.

The only useful link in CWDT is enfeeble; but you can get that from a spectre and put the links to better use.

You can drop the minion regen node; you can also drop the minion leech node if you get minion leech on a jewel.

Are all those nodes you're taking for Glorious Vanity worthwhile? Overall pathing looks a bit strange.

You aren't running Aspect of the Avian.

Jackytran24 has a nice tree/setup for this variant - I'd take a close look at what he's done - with the caveat that he's trying to deep delve so you might want to switch up a few things if deep delve doesn't interest you.
Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Oct 4, 2019, 12:15:13 AM
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hankinsohl wrote:

In your zombie links, replace Withering Touch with Brutality.

In your Animated Guardian links... what is your Animated Guardian supposed to be doing? Does the "defensive" nature of Meat Shield reduce AG's effectiveness?

Although probably OK... I've no idea how Meat Shield interacts with our spectres. Do they empower/frenzy/cast curses less often when defensive? I suspect that the spectres we typical use (possibly exception Ruins Hellion) are "defensive" by default; nonetheless, I don't know how Meat Shield affects them.

Quality on Phase Run gives movement speed.

You really don't want convo on CWDT. This is going to pull your zombies out of combat when it procs; moreover you can't manually cast convo when needed - e.g., to pull minions out of a pending explosion.

The only useful link in CWDT is enfeeble; but you can get that from a spectre and put the links to better use.

You can drop the minion regen node and can also drop the minion leech node if you get minion leech on a jewel.

Are all those nodes you're taking for Glorious Vanity worthwhile? Overall pathing looks a bit strange.

You aren't running Aspect of the Avian. Jackytran24 has a nice tree/setup for this variant - I'd take a close look at what he's done - with the caveat that he's trying to deep delve so you might want to switch up a few things if deep delve doesn't interest you.


Ag and spectre are for buffs so i dont want them to run off and fight mobs. Noted on the phaserun quality. Thats the question that i dont know how to answer, what i lost vs what i gained, because the glorious vanity is straight up 20% more EHP. I just need to hit 1k str for the zombie leech.

I think without saqawal chest, avian is not worth it. All it would give me is 10%ms. I run skitter, purity and ES aura. I dont know if this is better than say Flesh and Stone sand stance and war banner.

Do you have a link of jackytrans build?
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rolandojuantamad wrote:
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hankinsohl wrote:

In your zombie links, replace Withering Touch with Brutality.

In your Animated Guardian links... what is your Animated Guardian supposed to be doing? Does the "defensive" nature of Meat Shield reduce AG's effectiveness?

Although probably OK... I've no idea how Meat Shield interacts with our spectres. Do they empower/frenzy/cast curses less often when defensive? I suspect that the spectres we typical use (possibly exception Ruins Hellion) are "defensive" by default; nonetheless, I don't know how Meat Shield affects them.

Quality on Phase Run gives movement speed.

You really don't want convo on CWDT. This is going to pull your zombies out of combat when it procs; moreover you can't manually cast convo when needed - e.g., to pull minions out of a pending explosion.

The only useful link in CWDT is enfeeble; but you can get that from a spectre and put the links to better use.

You can drop the minion regen node and can also drop the minion leech node if you get minion leech on a jewel.

Are all those nodes you're taking for Glorious Vanity worthwhile? Overall pathing looks a bit strange.

You aren't running Aspect of the Avian. Jackytran24 has a nice tree/setup for this variant - I'd take a close look at what he's done - with the caveat that he's trying to deep delve so you might want to switch up a few things if deep delve doesn't interest you.


Ag and spectre are for buffs so i dont want them to run off and fight mobs. Noted on the phaserun quality. Thats the question that i dont know how to answer, what i lost vs what i gained, because the glorious vanity is straight up 20% more EHP. I just need to hit 1k str for the zombie leech.

I think without saqawal chest, avian is not worth it. All it would give me is 10%ms. I run skitter, purity and ES aura. I dont know if this is better than say Flesh and Stone sand stance and war banner.

Do you have a link of jackytrans build?

Sorry - his/her name is Jackietran24

>> I think without saqawal chest, avian is not worth it. All it would give me is 10%ms
Avian grants you and your minions might/flight in an alternating sequence - it's very worthwhile even without Nest; you may need Nest's mana reservation, though, to squeeze all the auras/buffs in.

Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Oct 4, 2019, 12:57:18 AM
Well...I feel stupid. Ran a t11 map with phys reflect, equipped a Triad Grip. I did the entire map with Brutality equipped in my Zombie links.
Last edited by Aldonés#1294 on Oct 4, 2019, 12:24:52 AM
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jlh165 wrote:
Well...I feel stupid. Ran a t11 map with phys reflect, equipped a Triad Grip. I did the entire map with Brutality equipped in my Zombie links.

Go go skeletons! :-)
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hankinsohl wrote:


Are all those nodes you're taking for Glorious Vanity worthwhile? Overall pathing looks a bit strange.



for the nodes corrupted by Doryani:

I Lose
10 str,
10 int,
40% mana regen, 1% life regen
10 str
10 str
5% life

I gain:
11 cold resist
1% chance to dodge spell
1% max lightning res, 24 lightning res
8% chaos resist
5% skill effect duration
11% increased damage over time


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rolandojuantamad wrote:
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hankinsohl wrote:


Are all those nodes you're taking for Glorious Vanity worthwhile? Overall pathing looks a bit strange.



for the nodes corrupted by Doryani:

I Lose
10 str,
10 int,
40% mana regen, 1% life regen
10 str
10 str
5% life

I gain:
11 cold resist
1% chance to dodge spell
1% max lightning res, 24 lightning res
8% chaos resist
5% skill effect duration
11% increased damage over time



Not worth it at all then. Look for a Lethal Pride boosting %strength on nodes we already take. Rework your pathing to look like Jackie's.
Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Oct 4, 2019, 4:21:02 AM
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rolandojuantamad wrote:
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hankinsohl wrote:


Are all those nodes you're taking for Glorious Vanity worthwhile? Overall pathing looks a bit strange.



for the nodes corrupted by Doryani:

I Lose
10 str,
10 int,
40% mana regen, 1% life regen
10 str
10 str
5% life

I gain:
11 cold resist
1% chance to dodge spell
1% max lightning res, 24 lightning res
8% chaos resist
5% skill effect duration
11% increased damage over time
You’d be better off with an empty socket. Lethal Pride is really the only Timeless Jewel worth getting. All small nodes get +2-4 strength and notables have a chance at rolling 5% strength or +20 strength as well as several defensive traits. None of the original passives are changed, only added to.
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jlh165 wrote:
You’d be better off with an empty socket. Lethal Pride is really the only Timeless Jewel worth getting. All small nodes get +2-4 strength and notables have a chance at rolling 5% strength or +20 strength as well as several defensive traits. None of the original passives are changed, only added to.


I lose 162 HP but gain 2,009 ES which i think is a big gain for the tradeoff.

on the lethal pride version, do i get enough str to gain 1 more zombie? wish someone can have a POB to compare
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hankinsohl wrote:


>> I think without saqawal chest, avian is not worth it. All it would give me is 10%ms
Avian grants you and your minions might/flight in an alternating sequence - it's very worthwhile even without Nest; you may need Nest's mana reservation, though, to squeeze all the auras/buffs in.



without nest, avian will not affect my minion. so i only gain 10% ms

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