Angry Reddit Post - Devlioution of PoE to Alfa.
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So, I've played PoE a fair bit since orig beta.
Thousands of hours over around 10 years now I guess. The other night, a friend asked what I think of PoE V4... I got to admit, I was surprised to realise, LOTS less hyped than when I first heard about it. - From first pumps in the air, to... 'eh' After a deep think. I think it's because the game is feeling worse off than beta tests. It's not just the pretty perma issues. It's not just the crazy amount of bugs N crash's. It's that, there seems less 'vision' or thought on things. In the past, there's always been a trust that ya's have actually thought about things and even if broke or changed, it's for a reason. For a simple example. The Abyss jewels. I'm fine with the nerf, if ya's feel it needed it. Sure bring them in line with the normal jewels. BUT, why do they still have the level requirement for tiers, unlike normal jewels. It basically just means, don't bother loot them till Red maps. Bigger example. Energy Shield. What's the point of it now? What's the vision? I thought it was suppose to be 'feels different from life'. V2 Beta test, there was some jewels with ES leech. Hard to obtain, but even that was deemed too just make it feel too much like life. Last league, we get ES leech all over the tree, gems that even have MORE dam on top. Short term crazy ES yellows. Roll a hat with more ES than used to be obtainable on chests. OK THEN... The nerf I don't understand because... WHAT? It's not like the change made it 'viable' to level as ES. What's the actual POINT of Occultist now? - Can't be stunned with ES, is around a ring on a different class. - Can't be chilled or frozen, is a ring on a different class. - Profane Bloom still BRAKES contagion. (ED/Cont being the chaos spells not to get nerfed, and arguably the best choice.) - 1% regen on kill, up to 10%. 'eh'... Go for end charges and Kaoms rings with regen on end charges. MUCH more powerful, replacement of class with ring slot again... I just... what's the point of Occultist now. The class that's replaced by rings? Idk, maybe a cold dot build, that's viable if not as strong as other class choices? Anyway. Apart from the lack of vision or whatever. There's some perma 'agggh' for PoE. - Chat. I'm not sure there's not been a day over the 10 years, priv msgs doesn't randomly brake. Having to swap to guild chat, or party chat. Which, whatever. BUT, it makes one feel, but I need this to work for trade. Aggh, trade. I know ya's sick of hearing it. But NO ONE is happy with it. Instant buy for SET price on 'bulk essentual' items type setup. Currency, maps. I'm not even sure on scarbs/sextants/etc. But ya watch a video guide on UTube, and pretty much everything is 'well this price is faked, actually sell this for X price' The other huge one, let us trade while in something we can't leave, 6 ppl maps, labs, zana daily, league things ya can't just leave etc etc. Basically, throw us a bone. Everything feels too unfun, that scammers are manipulating currency markets, and people won't bother sell me this worthless map to do my daily. It's aggh! It can still feel like a painful wild west trying to get gear! The overly heavy handed buff/nerf cycle. I'm all for things like, armor tweaks. Esp with reactive play buttons to press. But, my non-res capped, about 1.5 day played Gladiator, feels about as strong (mitigation, not dps) as my occultist did years ago when it had 23K ES, and all the trims of original vaal disc aura. I do understand, the pushing us to go do melee this league. But it'd be nice if the game 'matured' more. That it was a bit more 'it's still viable, just not current best'. - It used to work... Ok, it's understandable that re'doing all the combat and skills is going to have teething probs. But maybe there could be a more clear system to show 'know bugged' stuff than reddit/chat. Big example. Betryal. It worked FINE during the league. But it's only been the last week, that I don't 'stutter to 1 frame per 3,5,7 sec dead. Crash. Instance & map gone'. But It's still buggy as. Can do the fights, then not be able to click the masters. The train, they'll all be bowed down, but I'll keep going and fail. I'll sometimes get loot, sometimes get loot from one person braking the investigation screen/icon other other peoples heads. Doing it with another player, it'll lag my map to be unplayable, sometimes till leaving the map, often till reloading the game. What compounds this, is it's un-avoidable! I can not pick Betyral icon map, they show up. I HAVE been 'super lucky' and had them 6 times in a row! While it's not as bad as it's not instant death, DC, instance/map lost anymore... It's been beyond annoying! But it's problem after problem. Yesterday. EVERY map I did, I DC'ed at least once. I DC'ed in hideout on way back too map. - If we get the game working as well as in beta tests... There's still some niggles, or stuff that dosen't feel right. Friends and a bit myself. Have that 'main' itch. A char you can play for years. I had necro's and druids in D2, that got played on and off for 10 years. Even WoW, I go back every few years, play my druid or my warlock. They changed heaps over time. But yeah. Betryal, was a HUGE step towards this. Having leagues to test ya fav old chars on new mechanics, the new hideout system. SOO GOOD! I've got chars I'll go play with friends in STD with now. It's not grinding gear! Ok, I have this dream. That there will be a GGGenius system for 'grinding gear'. I don't pretend it's prefect or GGGenius. I trust ya's to blow my mind. BUT, this is the vague idea. Exp bars, a bit like incubators. Maybe some incubator/rune/object you 'slot in' and level up, to deterministic buff your item. It could get stronger over time/use/exp. It could be a 'infinite' system, like delve, or 'other games paragon' type system. Adding 'years of play' to your fav char. While that would hold peoples attention after the 'race too 100' 'do league challenges' I also understand, sometimes ya worry about power creep. There could be caps like gems, rather than diminishing returns vs exp/time. But there could also be, talent tree's, or different incubators/runes/items you slot in to custom prefect your stuff. Def some way to tailor it, choices. All that stuff GGG dose amazingly well. I'm sure ya's can blow my mind, with some GGGenius system, where you grind gear, and have LONG LONG life to ya fav chars in this game! - V4 better have: Life/Mana balls - Fav was girls chained to ya balls! Current girls on ya balls still gives me that immature ARPG smile. I've spoken to other long time players of PoE, and we have decided, if not girls, we NEED chained Chris Wilsons on our balls! ;-P Skele Animation System - POLYMOPRHS! D2 druids turning into warewolfs. Type things. TLDR: In many ways, there's lots N lots of reasons this SHOULD be my fav game evarrrrrrrrr. BUT, it's been getting more and more unplayable. There's been worrying things about stuff losing it's flavour and point, along with the it's bugged and wont work. Last bumped on Jun 19, 2019, 3:46:17 AM
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What is the point of this thread ? what does its title even mean ?
"Angry Reddit Post - Devlioution of PoE to Alfa." -> no idea " ? "PoE V4" ? You mean, the next big release that .... you know, has not happened yet ? I'm sorry, but if you want to give propery feedback, you are going to need to : - structure it properly - fix your English Because I'm not sure what you even want to say, what's the point of this thread, and overall what it means. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Jun 16, 2019, 10:32:57 PM
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" devolution noun de·vo·lu·tion | \ ˌde-və-ˈlü-shən Definition of devolution: retrograde (see retrograde entry 1 sense 2) evolution : degeneration -> So it's saying that PoE is going backwards, it's doing the opposite of evolving. It was more stable and playable in the beta tests of the game. Chris said in his last long interview/stream/informal video, the way to get stuff done is to write a angry reddit post. They love them at GGG. It was a bit of a joke. I also know that this isn't reddit. I'm also not 'angry angry' but it was a bit of a bitch vibe, so seemed to play on the joke well... " -> Yes. The next BIG version of the game. A friend was asking me, what I thought about it. You know, am I excited? How do I think it will fit into the landscape as it's not compeating with Diablo 4 or any other 'big' ARPG? What would I like to see them do with the new tech & systems, like the skeletal animation system? That the rework to parthing, and skills/frames/animation/stop frames and all that that came out with this league, was going to be part of it. (making this a bit of alfa/beta test of some of V4's stuff). That sort of stuff... " -> While I'd love to give 'propery feedback', that's not even a English word. ;-P Sure, I could clean it up a bit. Structure it a bit nicer. But it was suppose to be 'informal internet chat', not a formal letter! Try reading it with a 'Ozy or Kiwi' accent. I do try to put things that are grouped a little funny into 'these brackets' to shower it's more a term, than just proper English. I tried to vaguely group it into area's. Perm stuff that's been annoying since before version 1 of the game & ever since. Stuff that did work, then broke, and has been broken for months. Then a bit of a 'fan boy beg' for getting polymophs in next big version, as well as a half joke about Chris Wilson on the mana balls. (They do a different UI each big release, the version 1 had girls chained to the life/mana balls. There's lots of little innuendo jokes all over the game. I just wanted to remind them to keep it up.) Each topic, I wanted to only really give 1 example. Main thing that drives me nuts. Some bits like priv chat sort of compounded a bigger issue of trade. It was suppose to be a bit 'from the heart'. As I don't exactly want to tell the devs how to build there game. Just give them a insight into a long time players feelings. They do come up with the most amazing GGGenius things & solutions. I even threw a quick TLDR, to try to explain the overall point. But to try to clear it up for you. There's been some things where GGG has 'dropped the ball'/done worse then they usually do. Not just bugs, not just things that worked then broke. But things that don't fit into the 'feel' of the game. Like Energy Shield. There's been huge buffs, nerfs, over the years. But they have always been VERY careful to make it feel like Energy Shield and NOT life. But it's now pretty much the same thing. It's getting pushed less into something you 'level as life, then go ES late game'. There's no 'duck in combat, duck out - regen', with the added lots of ES leech. The amount/values are very close now. Oh and yes, I'm both upset by the extra power of ES leech, and loss of power to the inc% nerf. Not because it technically is better/worse. But because of the FEELING of how it plays. That's why I went for a more informal chat to explain feelings & concerns. Rather than say a 'propery feedback' bug list of bullet points, skill name, and maths. |
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" And yet the thread's title is still Devlioution of PoE to Alfa You should really give it a bit more attention to get views I think. By the way, now I just got it, but I literally did not understand that you were refering to the Alpha version of the game. " Not "each big release" for sure, there were some 'scandal-like' threads of some hysterical pseudo-feminists ( actually just extremists in this case ) going on shortly before the 'globe girls' were removed, but we will never know if it did have an impact on this or not at the end :). " I agree with that, I liked how things worked differently, the addition of ES leech all over the place for spell was a terrible call imho. I know have pretty much as much leech from the tree + ES leech on my WI occultist then before ... without using Atziri's acuity, and it feels pretty aweful :/. PS : I'd put the TLDR at the beginning of the post if I were you, or use it as an introduction. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Jun 19, 2019, 3:47:22 AM
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