A general guide on chaos spells

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Lightelder wrote:

So yes, more curses sacrifices DPS for utility. Which might be okay, since Bane-DPS is awesome, but if you have no seperate single-target this will need considering.

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concillian wrote:

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Lightelder wrote:

So yes, more curses sacrifices DPS for utility. Which might be okay, since Bane-DPS is awesome, but if you have no seperate single-target this will need considering.

Keep in mind that it will not always sacrifice Bane DAMAGE... only Bane DPS. Adding curses increases the duration of Bane, which in many (but not all) cases increases overall damage done per cast.

With multiple curses and heavy damage investment it's possible to scale the total damage per cast of Bane to the point that it does enough damage to phase uber Shaper / Elder in a single cast (~5 million damage.) This is "only" ~500k DPS, and some might consider that low DPS, but in a way it can be seen as doing something like 15 million DPS, in that you only spend ~0.3 seconds casting time to do 5 million damage, and then run around avoiding damage for 10 seconds.

I like to call that kind of build the cancer build, because you don't kill immediately, but you kinda give them a terminal illness that will kill them eventually.

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thelovalova wrote:

Hello guys!

I have a question about BANE.

This is how I use Bane on my gloves: Bane + Despair + Efficacy Support + Temporal Chains.

I have Whispers of Doom in my tree.

So, when I cast Bane, I apply Despair + Temporal Chains. OK
(I was on a map "Reflect curses" and I know for sure that it works)

(ok, so far so good)

BUT!

I found gloves with: Curse Enemies with Level 11 Despair on hit.
I think, well it's perfect! I can wear them and change my gem Despair to Arcane Surge Support or Swift Affliction Support or Increased area of effect Support, etc.

Bane will not trigger this since a) bane does not hit and b) there is no spell "despair" on your gloves for bane to apply by its own effect. Your character has just a trigger on hit effect that will apply despair. Like, you can not CAST despair and there is no disabled despair skill icon in your skills. Your character does not have the skill despair and consequently there is no way bane could apply it.

BUT!

I was against Queen Atziri and she reflect curses, so on the adds I cast my Bane to check and I was cursed,but only with Despair!

I just need a confirmation/explanation of how Bane triggers Curses and why my Temporal Chains don't work? They worked before with "normal" gloves...

a) check if bane and tempchain are linked. b) check that bane has a gemlevel equal or higher than your tempchain and despair gem, since the bane gem says bane will only apply curses of level (bane-level) or lower. maybe your gemswapping after changing gloves and stuff leveled one gem up faster than the others (I strongly suspect this).

Or maybe I am just wrong (But if I was cursed by my own Temporal Chains I think I knew it because it lasts for 25s...)

Thanks in advance!

Ps: I think I don't trigger Despair with Bane anymore... Because it's "on hit" on my gloves, I can see the curse when I cast Soulrend but not Bane :( True, Bane will not apply your on-hit-cursed-with... The question is still why not Temporal Chains???

-And if it is the case, why I was not cursed all the time by Despair against Atziri because I only used my Soulrend... I suspect your bane did not work at all (see above, overleveling or not correctly linked). Soulrend continued to hit and consequently applied despair which got reflected to you. If you did not cast soulrend very regulary, despairs duration could simply expire on you (despair on hit being lv11 and not lv20 and missing tempchains resulting in no duration-increase).

I am so confused now!!!
I was too but i think i got it now. I would bet on it being missing links to bane or overleveled gems.

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thelovalova wrote:

Thank you very much for your answer, you understood correctly my question :)

I dig it more after my post and I had the same conclusion than you.

When I found my gloves, I remove my gem Despair so that's why Bane don't cast Despair anymore because my glove apply just on it like you said.

I try again with Bane + Temporal chains and it works.
Where I was confused is why on Atziri when I casted Bane, it did't reflect Temporal chains on me...

I would bet on it being missing links to bane or overleveled gems.

But it's ok if it's just in that case, I'll try it again later ;)

Now I question myself If I keep this gloves or not but, I like them..., and Despair + Soulrend is not that bad after all - it's ok for me to add the gem Despair to my gloves like before. -> My gloves (https://imgur.com/HLYkqsz

I am sorry if I am not very clear sometimes, English is not my native language :)