General Discussion - Time Capsule from PoE Closed Beta -- a classic PoE vs D3 thread circa 2012 - Forum

" CharanJaydemyr wrote: Sorry about that. As usual, I made the grave mistake of believing it proper to answer all my detractors, including the ones who likely will never be able to understand anything beyond their own perspective. ...Tagek, well, I think you're wrong there dude. After all, it's you who showed me that gear-dependency is definitely increased from D2 to D3, and I even quoted the part from that article that clarified it. Gear is now your only way to affect attributes, via gems. I know, that's meta-gear, but it's still gear. Oh, and as for this thread generating discussion as opposed to that other one merely being an info dump, I think the sheer amount of information in said dump had enough weight to generate ten times the amount of discussion here. It really comes down to audience, and the bottom line is, I believe the PoE audience (typically knowing much more about D3 than D3ers do about PoE) is more open-minded and able to discuss the greater issue of ARPGs. BUT that's not to say we don't have our share of problem children, as it were. Also, the audience here is tiny by comparison. I do acknowledge that. As far as uniqueness goes, yes. But not as far as power goes. That's what I meant since he was linking gear dependency to power, while that relationship hasn't changed from D2-D3. Gear still determines 99% of your power, just like it did in D2. Argueably you could say there's a miniscule increase in gear dependency, but that increase is so small that it holds no place as an argument in the RMAH discussion. ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse Last edited by Tagek#6585 on Apr 9, 2012, 2:01:59 PM	Posted by Tagek#6585 on Apr 9, 2012, 1:59:24 PM Quote this Post
" Tagek wrote: As far as uniqueness goes, yes. But not as far as power goes. That's what I meant since he was linking gear dependency to power, while that relationship hasn't changed from D2-D3. Gear still determines 99% of your power, just like it did in D2. Argueably you could say there's a miniscule increase in gear dependency, but that increase is so small that it holds no place as an argument in the RMAH discussion. Wait, you're telling me uniqueness isn't power?!?!? ...I'm crushed. Seriously, though, I can't disagree that at least 90% of one's power in D2 was gear-dependent, keeping in mind I pretty much quit before that second wave of ridiculously overpowered runewords. Alts were born from finding gear, so it stands to reason that most of my alts were totally gear-dependent in D2. But I still think the gear dependency on any scale has been ramped up with D3. It doesn't bother me all that much, just observing. If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between. I am Path of Exile's biggest whale. Period. Last edited by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Apr 9, 2012, 2:06:00 PM	Posted by Foreverhappychan#4626 on Apr 9, 2012, 2:04:45 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
i was actually looking really forward to D3 but after reading your arguments i don't think it will be all that great anymore O.O granted i will still try it because we all have different opinions on things and i may actually like it, but the forewarning is appreciated :) however indirect it was lol	Posted by eoryu#6603 on Apr 9, 2012, 3:39:22 PM Quote this Post
" CharanJaydemyr wrote: [...This board really needs a delete function. And maybe an ignore.] I myself am an avid user of the 'double post' function. A delete function would be a great feature. :P EDIT: Funny enough I damn near double posted this very post. Talk about irony! ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse Last edited by Tagek#6585 on Apr 9, 2012, 3:46:53 PM	Posted by Tagek#6585 on Apr 9, 2012, 3:45:44 PM Quote this Post
I haven't yet played Diablo 3, but despite enjoying Path of Exile and reading the negative comments posted in this thread, I am still looking forward to it. I think I'll be able to find time to play both games as well as Torchlight 2 if that one ends up coming out around the same time.	Posted by Kamakazie27#1641 on Apr 9, 2012, 5:49:13 PM Quote this Post
" Tagek wrote: " CharanJaydemyr wrote: [...This board really needs a delete function. And maybe an ignore.] I myself am an avid user of the 'double post' function. A delete function would be a great feature. :P EDIT: Funny enough I damn near double posted this very post. Talk about irony! Technically there is a delete function, but it's limited to us mods. Ignore functionality, sadly, is missing at present. (I do try to clear out people's double-posts when I find them) I have wandered through insanity; I have walked the spiral out. Heard its twisted dreamed inanity In a whisper, in a shout. In the babbling cacophony The refrains are all the same: "[permutations of humanity] are unworthy of the name!"	Posted by Skivverus#5720 on Apr 9, 2012, 6:35:54 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" CharanJaydemyr wrote: You click stuff, stuff dies, goodies drop, you get goodies and can now kill tougher stuff. Theres the game manual, chuck in some flash graphics, an index, PDF that sucker. Yeah no, I have no keys left. Sorry to disappoint.	Posted by soldierboy#5805 on Apr 9, 2012, 6:42:00 PM Quote this Post
Another user on a forum basically said that Blizzard took the Skill Tree common to Diablo 2, disassembled it, and placed the bonuses you would have gotten from that on gear found with these rare affixes. He then concluded that this was simply guiding players to the RMAH in order to maximize their skills effectiveness and indulge in their preferred playstyles. I agree with that tremendously. Face it: WoW is beginning to die out. Blizzard needs a new way to make money. Can't do it off of Starcraft aside from releasing campaigns/expansions but you can get away with it in Diablo since the game is commonly made to be all about the gear. With this knowledge of having the players encouraged to buy from the RMAH, you're going to have to also semi-gamble that you didn't just spend money on armour to enhance your primary skill only to have it nerfed in a patch the following week. Playing around with in-game currency such as gold is one thing, but toying with real cash is going to cause a potentially huge public backlash.	Posted by Disillusioned#1893 on Apr 9, 2012, 7:47:17 PM Quote this Post
" Disillusioned wrote: you're going to have to also semi-gamble that you didn't just spend money on armour to enhance your primary skill only to have it nerfed in a patch the following week. This is one of the many MANY potential legal and ethical problems with RMAH in D3. I can just see the lawsuits bringing blizzard to the ground. @OP, Great post and I agree 100%. This game is everything D2 players wanted out of D3. Screw that piece of garbage D3 game. They have ruined the Diablo series with their stupid wow development influenced decisions. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who's play Wow for years and seen the dump they've taken on that game. The worst part about D3, is they've had almost 14 years to develop that game, and it will be released WITHOUT PVP Blizzard will NOT receive a dime more ever of my money. I can only hope many others will feel the same way when D3 is released and they realize what a pile of dung D3 is. Last edited by Nolimitation#3131 on Apr 9, 2012, 9:46:14 PM	Posted by Nolimitation#3131 on Apr 9, 2012, 9:45:13 PM Quote this Post
As someone who discovered PoE today for the first time (dad called me to tell me to check it out), I can say that while I am still completely excited for D3, this game just got added to my list of games to watch/try. I hope both turn out great since more good games is always a good thing :)	Posted by Amorphia#6963 on Apr 10, 2012, 1:46:47 AM Quote this Post