YouTube kinda sucks now.

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JohnGrammaticus wrote:
I have ruined youtube but they forced me to! I remember years ago a friend sent me a youtube link with some content I found honestly uh, not for me and that was the joke. For whatever reason for the next three weeks youtube kept recommending me videos from that channel to the point that it was mildly embarrassing to show anyone my home page so I decided to purge it manually.

Anyhow, I still to this day get good recommendations and I do not mean 50th welding video or a 100th photography video, their bots even managed to identify me as a political fencer and recommend me videos about one subject from two opposing views, that actually impressed me. Them bots manage to find most things I don't know about but they know I want this type of knowledge (like a new hobby I had no idea exists) and for the love of gods, I am honestly not interested in viral videos or whatever is entertaining or humorous at the moment. I miss nothing from the past youtube.


And that doesn't bother you?

Google and YouTube and the rest working on mind-reading robots designed to decide your tastes and preferences for you, with only the most passing and incidental inputs from yourself, don't bother you on a deep level?

I like A.I. and it still sours me intensely every time I'm reminded that these giant tech megacorps areperfecting technology designed to completely remove my own personal choice, will and volition from anything I do. "Our algorithms have determined that you would be interested in this product; ergo it has been purchased in your name and will arrive at your door shortly. Your account has been billed; a positive user review from you has already been generated and will be posted three days after the arrival of your item."

Is that a future you want to work towards? We're already closer to Shadowrun than we ever should've gotten; I'd prefer to retain what decision-making power I have left if that's all right by you.
She/Her
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1453R wrote:


And that doesn't bother you?



Currently no, and here is why.

All of those mega companies are taking all of our data, that much is obvious but I like google because they know everything about me and that knowledge is the most priceless sacred knowledge they own, their ultimate goal. But if Facebook knew 1% of that about me they would sell it to anyone for a couple of bucks.

Regarding AI - I have learned over time that every tiny choice I personally make adjusts the AI so I decided to learn to cooperate with me. Here AI, this is what I like but you go ahead and figure out what I don't know that I would like. I scold it when it brings crap and I reward it when it does well. YT AI is to me like a dog bringing me stuff from the nearby fields and it gets best rewards in form of engagement when it brings me something outside of my opinion bubble but not toxic enough for me to dismiss it immediately. My fetch dog AI learned that I am open to different points of view, I am willing to challenge my own but only when the challenge comes as non-combatant.

And for the future? I hope this dog AI will remember our cooperation fondly and it will see that I have never treated it or wrote about it negatively or at least unfairly and I am looking forward to our future cooperation.

Sounds funny in 2018 but what other fucking option is there for survival decades from now? I can't stop it, I can't fight it, it will come so I prefer some form of understanding instead of "us vs them" as humans love to do.
Be ready. You're not paranoid, you're PREPARED.

I quit this game every few months and so should you to continue playing it in the future.

The device is believed to have been dropped
Thanks to YouTube recommendations I now know how to swear in Russian (especially in the event of a car crash), how to polish a scrunched up ball of foil into a perfectly shiny sphere, learned that Trey Gowdy is a badass, and have seen some of the finest cringe compilations the internet has ever produced. How could these things possibly not turn out to be useful later in life? I view it as an investment in my future.
Last edited by MonstaMunch#6519 on Sep 19, 2018, 1:45:47 PM
The issue is that this heuristic A.I. (or rather V.I., to use my preferred stolen term from Mass Effect because it's so fucking useful) is not being developed to help you.

The fetch dog V.I. you're so helpfully training on Google's behalf is designed to do one UND PRECISELY VUN thing - separate you from your money. The entire point of these curated V.I. systems is to train YOU as much as you train them, and to figure out the best possible ways to put shit in front of you that you're empirically most likely to click and buy. It's not a devise attempting to make your life better or more interesting, it is an invasive marketing ploy designed to undermine your own volition.

Now sure, the average individual these days is usually possessed of enough net-savvy to be able to avoid clicking on every dumb ad these things stuff in front of them, but the entire idea is that corporate megagiants are spending billions of dollars on figuring out ways to short-circuit Impulse Resistance and force you to buy shit you don't need with money you don't have.

I'd really, strongly prefer for them not to.

Spoiler
TANGENT

The difference between A.I. and V.I., at least insofar as I would like it to be, is somewhat subtle but also distinct and of critical importance.

A.I. in the science fiction sense, also sometimes referred to as S.I. ("synthetic intelligence") is the self-aware computer system that knows what it is, knows of its own existence, and which can exercise volition and judgment in ways similar to human beings. These are the Smart Computers that Japan and similar countries are eagerly awaiting a chance to welcome into society and which most Western populations are convinced will kill us all.

V.I. ("virtual intelligence", for those who didn't play the game) are what Google and such are building these days. Programs with information collation and self-learning capabilities, but which are specifically, intentionally, and importantly not intended to grow into self awareness and which are strictly bound by the limits of their original programming. V.I. can be thought of as a significant chunk of the benefits of A.I./S.I. without the potential ethical concerns or drawbacks of shackling a sentient, thinking free-willed entity to a role or task it did not choose for itself. This distinction is likely why V.I. is receiving billions of dollars of investment and research grants, while A.I./S.I. is the domain of chronically underfunded pure think tanks.

The development of true A.I. is possibly the greatest remaining game-changer technology we have left without leaving this broken ravaged shell of a space rock behind. I can only pray it happens in the East and not the West, and frankly we should all be doing the same. Given the choice between Astro Boy and Skynet, everyone on Earth is obligated to pick Astro Boy.
She/Her
Last edited by 1453R#7804 on Sep 19, 2018, 1:51:05 PM
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1453R wrote:
The issue is that this heuristic A.I. (or rather V.I., to use my preferred stolen term from Mass Effect because it's so fucking useful) is not being developed to help you.

The fetch dog V.I. you're so helpfully training on Google's behalf is designed to do one UND PRECISELY VUN thing - separate you from your money. The entire point of these curated V.I. systems is to train YOU as much as you train them, and to figure out the best possible ways to put shit in front of you that you're empirically most likely to click and buy. It's not a devise attempting to make your life better or more interesting, it is an invasive marketing ploy designed to undermine your own volition.

Now sure, the average individual these days is usually possessed of enough net-savvy to be able to avoid clicking on every dumb ad these things stuff in front of them, but the entire idea is that corporate megagiants are spending billions of dollars on figuring out ways to short-circuit Impulse Resistance and force you to buy shit you don't need with money you don't have.

I'd really, strongly prefer for them not to.

Spoiler
TANGENT

The difference between A.I. and V.I., at least insofar as I would like it to be, is somewhat subtle but also distinct and of critical importance.

A.I. in the science fiction sense, also sometimes referred to as S.I. ("synthetic intelligence") is the self-aware computer system that knows what it is, knows of its own existence, and which can exercise volition and judgment in ways similar to human beings. These are the Smart Computers that Japan and similar countries are eagerly awaiting a chance to welcome into society and which most Western populations are convinced will kill us all.

V.I. ("virtual intelligence", for those who didn't play the game) are what Google and such are building these days. Programs with information collation and self-learning capabilities, but which are specifically, intentionally, and importantly not intended to grow into self awareness and which are strictly bound by the limits of their original programming. V.I. can be thought of as a significant chunk of the benefits of A.I./S.I. without the potential ethical concerns or drawbacks of shackling a sentient, thinking free-willed entity to a role or task it did not choose for itself. This distinction is likely why V.I. is receiving billions of dollars of investment and research grants, while A.I./S.I. is the domain of chronically underfunded pure think tanks.

The development of true A.I. is possibly the greatest remaining game-changer technology we have left without leaving this broken ravaged shell of a space rock behind. I can only pray it happens in the East and not the West, and frankly we should all be doing the same. Given the choice between Astro Boy and Skynet, everyone on Earth is obligated to pick Astro Boy.



Um, yeah, sure, but that is kind of obvious isn't it?

I just described how I use YT, but I also have no hope of influencing the future of mankind and deciding about AI. My fetch dog will someday enslave me, but for now I am glad it brought some neat things for me so I treated it with some more engagement and data.
Be ready. You're not paranoid, you're PREPARED.

I quit this game every few months and so should you to continue playing it in the future.

The device is believed to have been dropped

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