Max roll tooltip QOL

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byblo wrote:

Its already the case no? Go into options, UI, enable "Advanced Mod Description"

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Abdiel_Kavash wrote:

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cronus wrote:

lazy impementation?
intentional fuckup to allow those with knowledge to make a deal?

nobody knows

False


Information about maximum values of modifiers is correct; information about "tiers" of mods in the way the community understood them before the display was added can not be correct because this information fundamentally doesn't exist in the game.

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cronus wrote:

2) what their internal code looks like is pretty uninteresting to the end user.

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cronus wrote:

example: you got a max roll on a item but another item allows higher values, the "advanced" tooltip will show it as t2 or t3 despite it being t1 for that item.

lazy impementation?
intentional fuckup to allow those with knowledge to make a deal?

nobody knows

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Mark_GGG wrote:

an explicit answer to the two questions you just made showing that Mark_GGG knows exactly the answer to those questions

Getting Tier information on there at all was an unenviable task for someone - tiers aren't actually a thing that exists in any of the involved systems. Mods are arranged into types, where all mods of the same type have the same stats, but there's no actual ordering of mods within the type. We added a tier label as a string on each mod, and then someone had to go through a the mods table - with more than 10,000 rows - and add that label to all prefix and suffix mods.

Which mods occur on which items is also nontrivial information to gather, because the system is built to encompass more restrictions than that. Mods aren't limited to item types, but have a chance to spawn determined by the tags on the item. For the simple cases, boots with have a tag "boots" and some mods will give a weghting of 0 for items with that tag, but there are a bunch of other more complicated tags as well, some of which might or might not be able to occur on boots (and even when a mod can't generate on a particular item type, that doesn't mean there won't be items of that type with that mod in-game).

The way users see tiers per item type is a high-level grouping of things after the fact, and isn't always accurate - not all items of the same item type can spawn the same set of mods, even within a specific mod type. This is most notable with maps, where they're all maps, but they don't all have acess to the same mods, but there are (or at least were) some other cases as well, usually with high level bases of the item type.

And the system itself is even more complex than the ways we currently use it - mods can and do add tags to items, which affect the chances of other mods spawning. We don't currently have any mods which would allow higher tiers of other mods to spawn on the item, but that's absolutely something we might want to do in future and probably don't want the tier labels to restrict us from. We do have some existing items (mostly jewels) which have mods that can't spawn on them because of their other mods, so any system working out a mod's tier for an item by which mods can spawn on it would be hard-pressed to deal with that case. If none of the mods of a mod type can spawn on an item, what tier do you label the mod with, given that it's on the item anyway?

Adding a label to each prefix/suffix mod saying what tier it is was feasible in the time frame, and involved only a small amount of information. Adding an arbitrary number of labels and a system to try to work out which one is appropriate for a given item wasn't, and is hard to justify for the gain it would give.

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adghar wrote:

Are you being intentionally obtuse?