STOP this whining...

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IonDrako wrote:

I'm gonna agree with OP here to an extent. Like feedback is one thing but so many people are here just saying it sucks and it's worse than beastiary leauge.

Show me 3 threads that just say it sucks without any feedback on how it can be improved. I'll wait.

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Hemmingfish wrote:

Show me 3 threads that just say it sucks without any feedback on how it can be improved. I'll wait.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2152570

^op whines about everything in the league but obviously didn't learn anything about it other than blindly running into the incursions multiple times with his learning turned off. complaining about rng that has always been apart of the game, calls it boring and repetitive when the temple changes every time you do an incursion and complains about the time when most builds can gear and link properly to clear it in the same time limit. also doesn't offer alternatives, just complains

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2153699

^op complains that the league forces you into playstyles using moltenstrike and cyclone as skills that can't do incursions which both linked right can easily do them, also doesn't include anyway to "improve" the league

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2153507

^op complains about rng and timer while saying the league was shoehorned in and is garbage. Sure I'll give him benefit of the doubt he at least said to make the timer longer or make the door stones drop more but that gets drowned out by the trashing of the league because he got unlucky in an incursion, at least imo it does.

Also a lot of the responses to the threads just agree with the op's with the occasional person saying the league is manageable.

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IonDrako wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2152570

Says it's repetitive (a fair criticism), points out single target builds are screwed, says timers are too short. All useful info.

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IonDrako wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2153699

That one is a case of git gud, I agree

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IonDrako wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2153507

Complains about short timer, force dropping the stone as he gets to the door (screwed me a few times as well, needs fixing), suggests longer timer, guaranteed stone drop or more common stone drops

So you showed me 1 thread on the whole forum that wasn't constructive. I'm so glad you're not a dev, you'd be awful at looking for feedback.

personally i get oneshotted by ranged league mob as every league casue at lvl 40 u have the mobility of a turtle :|

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ErPorpetta wrote:

personally i get oneshotted by ranged league mob as every league casue at lvl 40 u have the mobility of a turtle :|

Have you tried building your character differently, if this happens every single league? You have access to a Silver Flask or the Onslaught gem, Quicksilver Flasks can roll additional movementspeed and boots can roll up to 20% movementspeed and higher at level 40.

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Hemmingfish wrote:

So you showed me 1 thread on the whole forum that wasn't constructive. I'm so glad you're not a dev, you'd be awful at looking for feedback.

Except most of the people enjoying the league aren't on here talking about it in the feedback forums they are playing the game.

From My experience leveling a couple characters this league the timers are fine, the only time I ran out of time when I wasn't basically finished was due to my own bad planning and action, not the league mechanic.

And there IS no single target builds in this game, by use of melee splash and ancestral call any single target skill isn't single target anymore and single target only builds haven't worked in this game for clearing ever.

And as I stated in my previous comment the temple changes a ton based on what you do and it does reward you for making it harder with tier 3 challenge rooms (like reduced max res, faster enemies, omnitech has minions, omnitech is imbued with fire, etc) so you literally have control to make the temple more interesting with more rewards but obviously that one op goes for the easy route and got bored doing it.

All the issues they've said aren't issues, it's the people getting a little challenge and coming here to complain about it rather than trying to better their builds to overcome it. Also the threads I linked are full of follow up comments just saying the league is trash and basically complaining they can't clear an incursion which still makes my original point stand. The actual number of people whining compared to the active player base is extremely small which shows most of the complainers are in need of a case of the "git gud"

The fact that you didn't even consider the playerbase verse complaints but would rather come in this thread and somehow try to prove it wrong? shows you'd make a terrible dev as you obviously would suck at looking at feedback correctly

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Scarletsword wrote:

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ErPorpetta wrote:

personally i get oneshotted by ranged league mob as every league casue at lvl 40 u have the mobility of a turtle :|

Have you tried building your character differently, if this happens every single league? You have access to a Silver Flask or the Onslaught gem, Quicksilver Flasks can roll additional movementspeed and boots can roll up to 20% movementspeed and higher at level 40.

what i mean is 90% of the time i'm undergeared for league mobs at thath level and it's easy to be oneshotted if a pack of ranged league mob do 30% of my hp for each hit while they are boosted by some random rare mob whit increase damage auras ..it's the only think thath kill me in every league and the reason i dont play HC...while boss fight are most about dodge and attack, bosted leagues mobs are unpredictable and most of they time i die untill i've the ability to equip a cwdt+ic.

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ErPorpetta wrote:

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Scarletsword wrote:

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ErPorpetta wrote:

personally i get oneshotted by ranged league mob as every league casue at lvl 40 u have the mobility of a turtle :|

Have you tried building your character differently, if this happens every single league? You have access to a Silver Flask or the Onslaught gem, Quicksilver Flasks can roll additional movementspeed and boots can roll up to 20% movementspeed and higher at level 40.

what i mean is 90% of the time i'm undergeared for league mobs at thath level and it's easy to be oneshotted if a pack of ranged league mob do 30% of my hp for each hit while they are boosted by some random rare mob whit increase damage auras ..it's the only think thath kill me in every league and the reason i dont play HC...while boss fight are most about dodge and attack, bosted leagues mobs are unpredictable and most of they time i die untill i've the ability to equip a cwdt+ic.

that was the first thing i noticed this league. in mud flats - first incursion you possibly can
make- i got busted with all 3 charakters i made so far....
its just impossible by normal means to get strong enough to get somehing useful out of that.
also the inhabitants will get unfairly strong and very fast compared to what is in the temple. shouldnt it be the other way, temple being more difficult than incursion? i didnt have such problems ever so early on that should mean sth. i got without problems to maps and now i get architects in thrown in my way which have hp close to an map boss compared to that lvl wtf
i had traps for lvling on one of my chars and only they could bring them down reliable why the other things around me often kill me (the radius for the new traps isnt good)

btw i dont care how much you think i make sth wrong my builds always worked for 4/5 of the game so...

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ErPorpetta wrote:

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Scarletsword wrote:

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ErPorpetta wrote:

personally i get oneshotted by ranged league mob as every league casue at lvl 40 u have the mobility of a turtle :|

Have you tried building your character differently, if this happens every single league? You have access to a Silver Flask or the Onslaught gem, Quicksilver Flasks can roll additional movementspeed and boots can roll up to 20% movementspeed and higher at level 40.

what i mean is 90% of the time i'm undergeared for league mobs at thath level and it's easy to be oneshotted if a pack of ranged league mob do 30% of my hp for each hit while they are boosted by some random rare mob whit increase damage auras ..it's the only think thath kill me in every league and the reason i dont play HC...while boss fight are most about dodge and attack, bosted leagues mobs are unpredictable and most of they time i die untill i've the ability to equip a cwdt+ic.

that was the first thing i noticed this league. in mud flats - first incursion you possibly can
make- i got busted with all 3 charakters i made so far....
its just impossible by normal means to get strong enough to get somehing useful out of that.
also the inhabitants will get unfairly strong and very fast compared to what is in the temple. shouldnt it be the other way, temple being more difficult than incursion? i didnt have such problems ever so early on that should mean sth. i got without problems to maps and now i get architects in thrown in my way which have hp close to an map boss compared to that lvl wtf
i had traps for lvling on one of my chars and only they could bring them down reliable why the other things around me often kill me (the radius for the new traps isnt good)

btw i dont care how much you think i make sth wrong my builds always worked for 4/5 of the game so...

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that was the first thing i noticed this league. in mud flats - first incursion you possibly can
make- i got busted with all 3 charakters i made so far....

Something they should make more obvious is that every temple you open reduces the timer. So if you level and try to do the Act 1 incursions and fail you are punished for this by a shorter timer and a very bad temple layout. So the most important thing is, ignore incursions until at least Act1, or if you are not playing further that day.

The fact that you are punished for engaging with the mechanic is stupid. Because if you do every incursion in Act1, you end up with a 12 second timer instead of 16 seconds in Act2, which even though your character is better still means you propably wont get a good temple. And not getting a good temple means not having a shot at 30% movespeed shoes which are basically mandatory for incursion.

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Except most of the people enjoying the league aren't on here talking about it in the feedback forums they are playing the game.

1. Yeah while that is a fair argument, there are some things that are hard to justify. If you fully clear an incursion it should drop a stone.

2. Having a more linient timer during leveling and not reduce the timer per finished temple (even if only for temples below level 60 or so) is another no brainer.

3. Having a short timer increase after looting a stone is another reasonable idea, since it mostly helps early on where you dont have the movement skills or the movespeed to quickly dash to a door.

4. Certain rare affixes should give extra seconds on dead. If you have an ele resist aura early on as any form of elemental DD way before curses or penetration exists you are fucked.

5. Being able to loot the stone as a group member would also be rather nice. Even if this is only allowed after the leader died. But finishing an incursion and having two stones you just cannot pick up is rather stupid.